Harmonic Mixing - How accurate is the Camelot System?

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  1. DJ.dEcimal

    DJ.dEcimal New Member

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    Does anyone actually use the Camelot System (powered by Mixed In Key - on Chemical Records)? Has anyone had any good results with it? Or does anyone think that their sets are just as good without thinking about key at all?

    Based on my mix below, the Camelot System got 6 out of 19 correct. Only 31% success rate... meaning that it seems to be more wrong than right.

    http://www.mixcloud.com/DJdEcimal/ram100-mix-competition-ramrecordsltd/


    [TABLE]
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    [TD]Camelot
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    [TD]Actual
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    [TD]Xample & Lomax - Contra
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    [TD]F
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    [TD]F m
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TR]
    [TD]Sub Focus - Druggy
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    [TD]F
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    [TD]F m
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    [TD]Concept 2 - Cause N Effect
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    [TD]C m
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    [TD]F
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TD]Delta Heavy - Minus
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    [TD]N/A
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    [TD]F m
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    [TD]N/A
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    [TD]Culture Shock & Brookes Brothers - Rework
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    [TD]E m
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TD]Wilkinson - Refugee
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    [TD]N/A
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    [TD]Lomax - Artisan VIP
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    [TD]C m
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    [TD]E
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TD]Shimon & Andy C - Recharge
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    [TD]A
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    [TD]C# m
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    [TD]Chase & Status - Streetlife
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    [TD]D m
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    [TD]D m
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    [TD]Right
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    [TD]DC Breaks feat. Rox - The More I Want
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    [TD]Ram Trilogy - No Reality (Noisia 2007 Remix)
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    [TD]Sub Focus - Deep Space
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    [TD]Basher - Ultraviolet
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    [TD]N/A
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    [TD]C m
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    [TD]Shimon & Andy C - Quest
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    [TD]Noisia - Deception
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    [TD]Culture Shock - Machine
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    [TD]B m
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    [TD]F# m
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TD]Basher - Transmission
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    [TD]F# m
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    [TD]F# m
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    [TD]Right
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    [TD]Moving Fusion - Turbulence
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    [TD]G m
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    [TD]Ab m
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TD]Sub Focus - Join The Dots
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    [TD]Eb min
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    [TD]Ab
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    [TD]Wrong
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    [TD]Xample & Crystal Clear - Heaven and Hell
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    [TD]Sub Focus - Follow The Light
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    [TD]G m
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    [TD]Right
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    [TD]Loadstar - BLVD
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    [TD]G m
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    [TD]G m
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    [TD]Right
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  2. wingz

    wingz everyones fav austrian

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    as long as it sounds good
     
  3. Harry3

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    this

    I dont need a computer to tell me if two tunes are horrendously off-key, I can hear it!
     
  4. muzzadj

    muzzadj POW!

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    what they said ^
     
  5. kenyon

    kenyon @ The Crack Spot

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    allow this harmonic bull shit!
     
  6. Teddy

    Teddy 60% Staff Member

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    the fact that u asked this, put me off listening to ur mix

    i dont mean any offence by saying that
     
  7. dizzzeejungle

    dizzzeejungle Junglist Down Under..

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    I think too many people under-estimate the energy, feel and mood of a tune
     
  8. DJ.dEcimal

    DJ.dEcimal New Member

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    completely agree, but if you know in advance you can pick tunes based on their key rather than using trial & error

    was just highlighting that the whole camelot thing doesn;t really work and is a bit bullshit
     
  9. Harry3

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    guess so.. but half the fun is doing Mampi style double drops and mixes with every tune under the sun to see if it works :D but the difference with most people is they can tell if it doesnt work.. poor Mampi..
     
  10. $marty

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    CAMELOT!

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    CAMELOT!


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    It's only a model.....
     
  11. wingz

    wingz everyones fav austrian

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    2nd pic is shock one i swear
     
  12. DJ.dEcimal

    DJ.dEcimal New Member

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    Haha no worries. As an unknown dj, no one pays a blind bit of notice when you just post up a mix.

    this thread has got me some attention and replies... but still no plays!
     
  13. dizzzeejungle

    dizzzeejungle Junglist Down Under..

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    i played your mix geezah byt found it a bit boring ^

    all in key and what not but you got to mix it up a bit to keep it interesting

    mood,energy,feel and all that airy fairy shit that just comes off on instinct I think is what keeps the top guys fresh,


    anyway,
     
  14. Teddy

    Teddy 60% Staff Member

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    If u put a mix up I'll have a listen and give u some honest feedback
    Don't take it personally man, there's been a zillion ram mixes up and I think everyone is fed up of hearing the same tunes!
     
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    doesn't camelot make the national lottery balls? harmonic mixing is for gays anyways.
     
  16. motion audio

    motion audio Active Member

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    Stuff like this is horse shit, just try out mixes and see what works. Tunes don't always have to be in the same key to work together anyway, you'll miss a lot of good mixes by thinking "Oh this is in Dm, so I can only mix it with another tune in Dm".
     
  17. DJ.dEcimal

    DJ.dEcimal New Member

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    Agreed, but i never said you had to use the same key all the time...

    And the first 5 tunes on Andy C Nightlife 5 are all in Fm so don't think u can really say it's horseshit. the whole cd is sick!
     
  18. Teddy

    Teddy 60% Staff Member

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    the problem is ur paying far to much attention to this

    i dont know that the first 5 tracks on nightlife ar all in Fm, what ever the fudge that is!
    why are u looking it up, trust me, dont bother.
    if it sounds good, do it!

    fuck camelot! the lottery people and this fisher price my first mixing colourwheel of i cant be bothered to learn the hard way!
     
  19. motion audio

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    I'm not saying the idea of it is shit, obviously the whole point of mixing is to find tunes that work well together, and one of the main things that make tunes work well together is them being in the same or relative keys so that they compliment each other. What I'm saying is horse shit, is the idea of letting software make choices for you. You will end up relying more on computer screens than your own ears, and it will stop you developing your ability as well as you would do without.

    Nightlife 5 might sound sick, but do you think Andy C sat flicking through root notes on chemical records before recording it?
     
  20. DJ.dEcimal

    DJ.dEcimal New Member

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    Yes.. but that was my original point - this software is wrong most of the time. Of course Andy C doesn't use it, and neither do I - I use my ears. I was just making the point to those who do / have used it that it is really unreliable.