The thing is it feels like I'm learning to produce for 10 months, I haven't made a 'finished' tune yet - I have two 75 percent finished tunes and I know that isnt bad ------- that said when I sit at my desk looking at my DAW I end up focusing one element of the track and not progressing as I FOCUS on 1 element at a time ---I'm not sure weather that is good or bad... First of I was using all my time trying to learn my Synth ... Then I focused on getting the right pads and FX's working together and now I'm focusing on layering and chopping up old breaks to put over my drums and EQ'ing them properly.... I can work 5 hours a day quite easily -mainly cos I have the time to- but lately I've starting to think what have I got to show for all my time spend on learning producing, not that I care or anything -it just crossed my mind of late .... anyway: I suppose it comes down to make tunes from the get go and learn at the same time OR weather focusing on different elements is better done 1 at a time... if that makes sense........... also seeing also as I mentioned cause I have alot of spend time because I don't need to work atm, I find myself wasting time fucking around -I mostly guilty of listening to what ever I making too much. next though I'm going work on high hat patterns.... I think. I know if I keep at it, it will just all come together in the near future, this is the type of stuff I'd like to produce.. (; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JcRzpqEsMM .... basically Original Sin's 'Grow Your Wings' Album.... I have a track I'm working on atm but I feel like I want to pack it, that said there is some real potential there for it to be a nice track --I'm starting to think I might find myself coming back to this track in a couple of years and polish it off, as all the structure is there and my ideas for the way I want the track to progress etc etc... Anyway how long did it take you guys to finish your first track from the first kick drum to completing the mixdown of it? And the result sounding the way you wanted it to _----------------? EDIT; let me add I've been listening to dnb for 10 years now, so that isn't helping... it is in my head, I know it back to front but just can put on 'paper'