I've had massive for a couple of months now and it is a proper good piece of software and I can get sub basses to sound really nice but I want to make kind of Ed Rush & Optical sounding basses, like deep and dirty. Each time I try and do it, they come out sounding 'metallic' and a bit tinny Has anyone got any good tutorials or anything about this sort of sound? I've looked at the sub focus tutorial aswell and it's good but not the sound I'm aiming for. I'm using reason 4 so if anyone has got any ideas how to make this in reason it will be very much appreciated!! This is sort of what I'm aiming for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXF8CYDps9U&feature=related Thanks everyone.