When is Sub Focus' - 'Robot Rock' 'Rock on' or 'Rock it' coming out?

You need to accept that there is shit loads of dnb out there that dominates the scene that offers nothing, has no substance, evokes little emotion and feeling. It is annoying but going on about it will only increase the frustration. I have the same every time I see a Hazard or Original Sin thread. I struggle to believe that tunes like Wicked so could be considered to be decent.

Yea I know what you mean, but it is a forum! Can't let a tune like this go scotch free, it deserves a bashing from someone, even if they are as unknowledgable as myself.
 
What is "dancefloor trash"?

Machete?

Mr Happy?

"Rock It"?

Music made to make people dance on a dancefloor?

I though that was what this entire scene was built on ...

Music made to make you want to dance

So what if it's more appealing to a 17 year old than say a Calibre tune for example? (which often isn't 100% made for the dancefloor ... or as least a bit more discreet about it)

They have to like something don't they? Youl find with most people as they get older their taste in drum and bass tends to develop a bit more, but everyone has to start somewhere, and 17 year olds going out to raves just want to enjoy themselves and enjoy the music, which they do, so what's the problem?

Sometimes I just feel people think they are too cool for school with drum and bass, and think they're above certain styles of the music because they listen to "deeper" stuff

Far too many times I've heard people say "Nah I don't really like all that jump up stuff", I swear they just think it's cool not to like what's popular when really they're just being narrow minded

And I can't believe I hear the word "Cheese" associated with dnb so much these days.

Cheese is "Build Me Up Buttercup"

Not fucking Airplane or Feelings, jesus christ it's just a vocal let it go people! ...

I'm done now.

well said, completely agree with you man
 
Fair point

Have to say I often wish Room 1 was a little bit more like this

I swear it used to be more like this a couple of years back

Sign of the times I guess, I definately feel that dnb is going through a certain phase right now, things will settle down at some point though I'm sure

This phase as you put it has been around for years in my opinion, all depends on where you go. Ram is getting more like playaz nights now. Nights like Swerve, Renegade Hardware & Hospitality are a bit more untouched imo.
 
Fair point

Have to say I often wish Room 1 was a little bit more like this

I swear it used to be more like this a couple of years back

Sign of the times I guess, I definately feel that dnb is going through a certain phase right now, things will settle down at some point though I'm sure

Haha you talking about Fabric? If you are that is quite funny, you say Room 1 and that is enough.

I am happy that Bukem and the prototype nights etc. are still in Room two, it has a better vibe in my eyes.

The joy of dnb is its diversity, that there is a style for everyone. I do respect the styles and subfocus, I really like druggy for example.

I just can't tolerate tunes like this... why can't they play more tunes like this on dancefloors everywhere....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70SFfrO8Y64
 
Just because a song doesn't evoke emotion or appear to have substance in your eyes doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. Fans of classical, jazz and blues may look at all kinds of drum & bass as soulless, electronic creations that lack human touch and expression, and to be honest i can understand that to a far greater degree than i can someone saying a tune by Calibre is infinitely better and deeper than a tune by Hazard. Everyone likes what they like at the end of the day, but to look down at music you can't appreciate and consider it inferior is, in my opinion, not a good attitude.

Also for the point made earlier about originality, you can argue that all drum & bass is lacking in originality as it's production is so heavily based on using samples. In fact liquid producers are often far more criminal for being uncreative as their tunes are often heavily based on samples from other pieces of music. A good example i think is "Ever so slightly" by Lenzman, it's a beautiful tune, possibly my favorite liquid tune ever, but the sampled piano completely makes it and he can hardly take credit for it when all he did was sample it.
 
This phase as you put it has been around for years in my opinion, all depends on where you go. Ram is getting more like playaz nights now. Nights like Swerve, Renegade Hardware & Hospitality are a bit more untouched imo.

Is Fabio still doing Swerve? I used to go at the End probably every other Wednesday... bloody loved it, no mc's, great crowds, wonderful club and tones of room on the dancefloor!
 
Just because a song doesn't evoke emotion or appear to have substance in your eyes doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. Fans of classical, jazz and blues may look at all kinds of drum & bass as soulless, electronic creations that lack human touch and expression, and to be honest i can understand that to a far greater degree than i can someone saying a tune by Calibre is infinitely better and deeper than a tune by Hazard. Everyone likes what they like at the end of the day, but to look down at music you can't appreciate and consider it inferior is, in my opinion, not a good attitude.

Also for the point made earlier about originality, you can argue that all drum & bass is lacking in originality as it's production is so heavily based on using samples. In fact liquid producers are often far more criminal for being uncreative as their tunes are often heavily based on samples from other pieces of music. A good example i think is "Ever so slightly" by Lenzman, it's a beautiful tune, possibly my favorite liquid tune ever, but the sampled piano completely makes it and he can hardly take credit for it when all he did was sample it.

There is more of a common perception that anyone who dislikes Subfocus is conceited and thinks they are the shizzle..

Whilst I would say I think its shite, i dont think it is inferior. It is just shite.

And there is a vast difference, emotively, of what some tunes by calibre, peyo, luca etc., make then what Subfocus makes. They are made for reasons of evoking different feelings, subfocus's obviously to get you on the dancefloor and follow the riff. Tunes like Without you, by Peyo, is meant to create melancholy, without a doubt.

Originally dnb lacked originality, as early jungle was based purely on samples. Nowadays there is tonnes of originality in the genre. Of course they use sample packs... its computer generated music!
 
Well obviously, but there's a big difference between composing a melody out of individually sampled notes and sampling an entire melody composed and played by someone else, that was the point i was trying to make. This is a trend far more commonly seen in liquid & deeper subgenres of drum & bass which so many people praise as being more original and creative than subgenres like dancefloor and jump up. Incidentally i'm a huge fan of the deeper subgenres, i just feel it's very unfair to label jump up and commercial producers as unoriginal when there are many well respected liquid producers being equally unoriginal.
 
Well obviously, but there's a big difference between composing a melody out of individually sampled notes and sampling an entire melody composed and played by someone else, that was the point i was trying to make. This is a trend far more commonly seen in liquid & deeper subgenres of drum & bass which so many people praise as being more original and creative than subgenres like dancefloor and jump up. Incidentally i'm a huge fan of the deeper subgenres, i just feel it's very unfair to label jump up and commercial producers as unoriginal when there are many well respected liquid producers being equally unoriginal.

Alix Perez - Crooklyn

Wicked tune - almost entirely sample based
 
Well obviously, but there's a big difference between composing a melody out of individually sampled notes and sampling an entire melody composed and played by someone else, that was the point i was trying to make. This is a trend far more commonly seen in liquid & deeper subgenres of drum & bass which so many people praise as being more original and creative than subgenres like dancefloor and jump up. Incidentally i'm a huge fan of the deeper subgenres, i just feel it's very unfair to label jump up and commercial producers as unoriginal when there are many well respected liquid producers being equally unoriginal.

there are tonnes of liquid/deep producers, just as in jump-up, who create their own melodies and riffs. People like Lenzman may not have with that tune you like, however a lot of the lead melodies are not fully sampled and are constructed by the producer.

I wouldn't say jump-up is uncreative, who ever said that? I also don't think that subfocus is unoriginal, however this song is... it also, in my opinion, just sounds shite and offers little.

Who are the really unoriginal liquid producers?
 
Its also said, there is nothing really wrong with sampling at all... I don't know why this discussion came about.

Sampling in some ways is integral to the music, however its the construction and sequecing of it all that is where the creativity comes into play.

When you hear Robot Rock there is no variance in the tune from start to finish. He doesn't play around with the synth, add intelligent changes or develop the song throughout... its pretty boring.
 
there are tonnes of liquid/deep producers, just as in jump-up, who create their own melodies and riffs. People like Lenzman may not have with that tune you like, however a lot of the lead melodies are not fully sampled and are constructed by the producer.

I wouldn't say jump-up is uncreative, who ever said that? I also don't think that subfocus is unoriginal, however this song is... it also, in my opinion, just sounds shite and offers little.

Who are the really unoriginal liquid producers?

I don't think it was you who said jump up is uncreative, but it is an opinion i've heard a lot around this forum over the last year :lol:

I wouldn't go so far as to say any liquid producers, infact basically any producers in drum & bass are unoriginal. My point about sampling in liquid tunes was to illustrate that the arguments used to criticize jump up, dancefloor etc for being unoriginal/uncreative can equally be applied to the other subgenres. You said earlier in the thread sub focus had ripped off daft punk to make a d&b tune, this i agree with, but it's in just the same way that some liquid producers have ripped off jazz/soul composers to make d&b tunes.

I'm not trying to be negative towards any producers at all, but from your earlier comment i'm assuming you think the fact he ripped off a daft punk tune to make a d&b tune is a bad thing, so by that logic, any d&b song which has major elements directly copied or ripped off from another song must also count in a negative way against that particular drum&bass tune?

Not suggesting for a minute you think any song which is a rip off of another song is bad, as it may have other elements added by the producer which are original and you appreciate.

Anyways i've gotta go, but i'll check back in the morning
 
I don't think it was you who said jump up is uncreative, but it is an opinion i've heard a lot around this forum over the last year :lol:

I wouldn't go so far as to say any liquid producers, infact basically any producers in drum & bass are unoriginal. My point about sampling in liquid tunes was to illustrate that the arguments used to criticize jump up, dancefloor etc for being unoriginal/uncreative can equally be applied to the other subgenres. You said earlier in the thread sub focus had ripped off daft punk to make a d&b tune, this i agree with, but it's in just the same way that some liquid producers have ripped off jazz/soul composers to make d&b tunes.

I'm not trying to be negative towards any producers at all, but from your earlier comment i'm assuming you think the fact he ripped off a daft punk tune to make a d&b tune is a bad thing, so by that logic, any d&b song which has major elements directly copied or ripped off from another song must also count in a negative way against that particular drum&bass tune?

Not suggesting for a minute you think any song which is a rip off of another song is bad, as it may have other elements added by the producer which are original and you appreciate.

Anyways i've gotta go, but i'll check back in the morning

Personal preference would sway me more to liquid anyways, I would rather hear a piano sampled then an electric guitar, especially in drum and bass. I don't think electric guitars work in dnb.

Also, in the reason i am infatuated with liquid is due to its depth and construction. I appreciate the intricacies of it. This robot rock tune does seem quite cookie cutter in the sense that its very predictable and somewhat bland beyond hearing the intro and lead riff.

Thinking about it, i love sampled music, Madlib is my favourite producer in music and his whole hip-hop vibe is based on sampling. I think its the choice of samples that interests me most. When i hear a dance tune - robot rock - made into a dnbesque version, I don't think that is too original or awe-inspiring.

When I hear a longue still piano melody sampled and looped, backed with a bass that adds depth and breaks that get me moving I am more inclined to like it.
 
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The 10th Bday Tour Part 4
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wasnt eager on purchasing this one when i first heard it to be honest.

only tend to buy a few dancefloor smashers, dont really have fun mixing them together.
like to bring one in every now and then.

but yeah im not overly fussed about this tune, will have a short shelflife i reckon
 
its out next week

reli? im more interested with follow the light to be totally honest but i think rock it is a jokes little tune and andy has done some good mixes with it so il be looking forward to trying out some openers with it myself
 
yeah can someone else confirm its next week, would be good to have deep space in the bag by the end of the month
 
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