When doing bootleg remixes...

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  1. Calefaction

    Calefaction Member

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    ...what is the best way to "extract" the vocals from another track? My first hunch was to of course open the song in a wav editor and extract the slice of sound that consititutes the vocals, but this does nothing to filter out the background noise associated with the host song song.

    Are there some tips, tricks, or tools that make extracting clean song samples easier?
     
  2. sdm

    sdm This is Dog Fort

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    Acapellas are the best way!

    Just search for 'acapella' on any P2P software to get a load.

    If not, you will have to EQ the rest of the track out I guess..
     
  3. jay walker

    jay walker 1/2 of Passive/Aggressive

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    Get a 7 band EQ, an knock the Top 3 freqencys down (Sub being at top).

    or like STD said - Accapellas
    you gotta register - but they got every damn thing here
    http://www.dj-mike.co.uk/acapella/vze/index.php?

    they got Jay Z, Neptunes an some other nu- accs, worth check imo. :mr_cool:
     
  4. sdm

    sdm This is Dog Fort

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    Nice link Jiz Walker, will check myself (y);)
     
  5. lokki

    lokki JUNGLIST FROM DEYA

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    cool!!!!

    ive been trying to extract the vocals from the a-team intro......

    the bit where it goes

    'if u have a problem and u have no one else to turn to then maybe u can call......the A TEAM!'
    the frequencys are too mashed up tho and ther is too much noise at the same frequency.



    im loving this producing lark!!!
     
  6. The Reflex

    The Reflex Pissed off Producer

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    dont do bootlegs, they are bad for you!!! but if u have to, u certainly cant just use the original track, u need to use accapellas, there is millions of em, everywhere :tut:
     
  7. gpk

    gpk Great Pumpkin King

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    mm bootlegs are a no no but some times you just have to.

    accapellas are not always available but EQing off some load end and high end will help also its best to pick a song that will line up with DNB style drums something with snares on the even counts will help.
     
  8. mesh

    mesh Active Member

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    sho nuff, some o the jungle classics wouldnt have been made without some nasty bootleggin, but steer clear of chart hits for credibility's sake imo
     
  9. sparkyc10

    sparkyc10 Kentish Junglist

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    cud anyone hook me up with an acapella of Zero 7 - Destiny? Iv always wanted to make a dnb remix of that as soon as i get into production (which is very soon :))
     
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    subwoofer New Member

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    I played around with an acapella and an instrumental of sean paul - get busy, threw a modified amen on it and there ya go. :2thumbs:
     
  11. Affliction

    Affliction thought size didnt matter

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    it's near enough impossible to lift clean vocals out of a track with other stuff going on, but there are a couple of methods that can be useful.

    If you've got a vocal sample and a simple repeating or looping sound (such as a string drone), you can EQ it out pretty effectively. Best thing to do is use a parametric EQ (i'd recommend Waves Q10).... get your first band, set it as low as possible (usually 20Hz or so... set the width or "Q" as high as possible, and the gain as high as possible. Then slowly move the frequency up until you hear a loud kind of ringing.... when you do it means you've hit a frequency that needs to be filtered out, so turn the gain on that band all the way down and start again with your next band.

    Typically you'll end up with something like the attached image...
     

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  12. jay walker

    jay walker 1/2 of Passive/Aggressive

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    Affliction, the technical Wizard waves his magic wand again an.... Shazaam!

    a new trick o' tha trade for me to try, you da Pimp! :pimp:
     
  13. laze

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    all the methods above work well.

    BUT if you wish to make your own acapellas there is one method that may or may not work. What you need is a vocal version of the track and a instrumental version [sometimes available on CD singles]. You will have the best luck when the engineer has been lazy and created the instrumental by muteing the vical channel. Open them up in a wave editor, say soundforge. Select the instrumental track and copy and paste or drag and drop onto the full vocal version. When you are copying it across you need to invert the phase of the instrumental, this will cancel the instruments in the full vocal version.

    good luck though, it often doesn't work
     
  14. BUGbug8

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    technically speaking, though in practise this is hardly ever completely effective, its possible to completely remove a backing from a vocal by getting a clean copy of the backing, phase inverting it and sample-accurately placing it alongside the vocal version in your sequencer. I've made this work reasonably well with LOTS of fassing about, and it could be useful if you got a twelve with an inst but no acapella as often happens.

    AnalogX (www.analogx.com) do a plugin which selectively removes or keeps the mono element of a stereo mix, which works only assuming the vocal is mono and centrally placed, (by no means always the case and often also true of several other sounds such as the bass.

    creative use of filtering, learning NR programs, and Companders can also help, but each case is pretty much unique and there are no magic rules.

    finally there are companies (cant remember any of them at the moment) which will do their best to recreate elements of an existing tune to get around mechanical copyright charges. It may sound a bit dodge but i've heard some amazing recreations of classic vocals by such people. they dont come cheap tho and you probably wouldn't recoup the charge off the bootleg

    hope this helps.

    RAPTOR.
     
  15. BUGbug8

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    "sho nuff, some o the jungle classics wouldnt have been made without some nasty bootleggin, but steer clear of chart hits for credibility's sake imo"

    dunno bout that, if you jokes it up a bit or superdirtify it like kid606 you can get away with it. bootlegs are about audio terrorism, and who better to terrorise than the majors? i never release my bootlegs under my own name anyway. people'd come bate you.
     
  16. Serum

    Serum Well-Known Member

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    Haven't been many good bootlegs lately

    Someone needs to wipe that camouflage label off the face of the planet while I'm thinking about it.
     
  17. Bad Ace

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    hmmm i kinda agree n then i dont cause yer im not into bootlegs but the bootlegs camoflauge dish out aint half bad,they would be betta with the booty bits out of it and leave the tune cause the tunes are wicked.thats all im sayin thank u please.