vocal sample question

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  1. co0ke

    co0ke windowlicker

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    regarding vocals from old soul records and the likes. eg: ai desperado, c+s take me away, netsky, brookes brothers etc...

    are these always taken from a section of the original tune where there is no beat/music with it? if not, how to producers get them to sit so well?
     
  2. msmith222

    msmith222 redbeard

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    there are a few pieces of software that can lift out the vocal track, i just can't name any. but i hear the tech is finally catching up and might be worth looking for.
     
  3. T Leaf

    T Leaf Neighbourhood Sickhead

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    generally i think that they emphasise the old school element (the vocal in this case) of the original track by using synths/samples to add to other elements in the sound or to hide other elements away.
     
  4. T Leaf

    T Leaf Neighbourhood Sickhead

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    also, there is a technique call knock-out phasing where you can 'cut out' the vocal of the track by phasing out the instruments with an instrumental of the track.

    L channel: full song \
    R Channel: Instrumental / vocals

    Its all about inverting and stuff. complicated but do able.
     
  5. motion audio

    motion audio Active Member

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    Depends on a lot of things, the stuff mentioned here is all good info.

    If its a recent(ish) song thats been recorded with a DAW or similar multi-tracking method, and the artist doing the remix/using the samples has got clearance from the artist and record company it'd probably be possible to get a copy of just the vocals.

    The problem with removing vocals from a single stereo track is that by removing frequencies that instruments are hitting at, could also remove some of the vocal sound, but it obviously depends on the track, and how much of the other sounds you want to remove.
     
  6. subprime

    subprime Dysjoint

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    Sounds interesting. Might have a look for some info on this,....unless you have a link?:D
     
  7. kama

    kama benkama.net

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    It's rather simple really. If you have a waveform with < and you sum it with > you get |

    You can verify this simply: Make a bass melody (from samples, without effects if possible) and bounce it. Then add a vocal on top of it and bounce that too. Then open them both in an audio editor and invert the bass without the vocal. Then mix them at identical volumes. If all is well, the bass should cancel itself out and all that's left is the vocal. On synths it might not work because some of them have randomness in form of free lfo's, maybe moving delays and such.

    But for this to work on vocals you'd need the exact same track as the original, just without the vocals. Not just a version, it has to be sample-accurate. This is hardly the case with old funk records or the like. Newer pop songs are known to have instrumental versions on single releases but it's still pretty rare nowadays.
     
  8. T Leaf

    T Leaf Neighbourhood Sickhead

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    sorry man, i havent got it on any of these hard drives :(, shouldnt be hard to find on good ol' google though (y)
     
  9. Protoplasym

    Protoplasym Nuskool

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    T Leaf and Kama have this one sewed up!
     
  10. Producr

    Producr Producr

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    You were also right that they sometimes take vocals from a section that has no beat/music. :)