ReeseWitha5poon
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Crispy Dinner is a good one.
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Hate to be captain obvious here, but a track isn't 100% kick and snare. If you do your own thing with most other aspects of production, and use vengeance kicks + snares, you won't sound exactly the same as everyone else.
Hate to be captain obvious here, but a track isn't 100% kick and snare. If you do your own thing with most other aspects of production, and use vengeance kicks + snares, you won't sound exactly the same as everyone else.
I hear what you're saying Sam and I agree with you. However there must be a difference between good samples and bad samples. Vengeance - are the good or bad? They get used a lot.
I think that's also not a bad thing. Let's compare samples to buildings. Buildings have a lot of the same elements that other buildings have. If there is a good brick supplier in town, all of the same architects will want to see their vision fulfilled with these bricks. Regardless of whether mr other architect used the same bricks. It's how the bricks fit in context with the rest of the building.
Location? What style of building? Purpose of building? Colour? Roof? Fountains and stuff?
It's not the bricks that will make the final product generic. It's the overall impression when looking at or walking through the building that makes it look plain or fresh.
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Your kick and snare will.
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Drums are not there just as a foundation for the rest of the track. Drums have character and are one of the most important aspects of drum & bass.
If everybody just used what works we would never make any progress and new things would never be created. Making music is an art form, experimenting and being creative is what we should all be encouraging one another to do.
It depends on why you do this though.
To take this a little further: we make music so other people can listen to it. And our aim is the everyday joe, who won't even know that there's a "vengeance pack" behind the punchy drums he's listening to.
DarkYsidro is right. It's about how the sample is processed afterwards as well. Take the amen break for example! It's synonymous with dnb. Probably used just as much as vengeance Chopped, gated, distorted, reversed, pitched up / down etc. and sometimes it's just left as is. It's an art form. You're right JReilly. It's up to the producer. Choose from a well known sample pack or not. Process it. Or not.
End of the day - is vengeance a good source? Or is it overprocessed like everyone keeps saying? Regarding further processing of vengeance samples. Does it work to gain the sample down at source? Ie. gaining it down in a sample editor so that it can be processed further? Or is any further processing theoretically causing the sample to soft clip (seeing that it was originally processed and limited to sit at 0db peak / rms / whatever) ? I.e. Can it still be driven further by just gaining it down before processing again?
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Is it just me, or are vengeance samples not good for processing because they're already massively processed? I mean normally I might layer a snare up to make it fat, then add some distortion for more fatness and character, but there's no point distorting a vengeance snare because it's been designed to use straight out the box and it's already been compressed, distorted etc. Same goes for layering.Wait, you people are arguing about people who use vengeance packs all sound the same, etc, etc, etc. But let's think: if we all use the sample as it is, without processing, then yes, it will sound the same. But we do our own things to it, right? distortion, saturation, reverb, phasing, I mean, we all can get different results, even using the same "snare 33" on the "Essencial Clubsounds 3".
To take this a little further: we make music so other people can listen to it. And our aim is the everyday joe, who won't even know that there's a "vengeance pack" behind the punchy drums he's listening to.
Speak for yourself dude, I make music, because it's fun and I enjoy it, also because it's a way of expressing myself artiscally and creatively, something, IMO, I think everybody needs. If other people relate to it and appreciate my work then that would make me happy but I'm not doing this so that the everyday joe has a soundtrack to his weekend bender.
As I said it depends on why you do this.
I didn't said that we don't do this because we like doing music, man. I said that one thing that is inherent to this "career" we chose is to get recognition, right? And the recognition comes from the average joe out there. The guy who will put one of your songs on a family pic-nic in the park.
This is comedy.......29 replies and i think maybe 1 recommendation. Oh well, never mind.
This is comedy.......29 replies and i think maybe 1 recommendation. Oh well, never mind.