Discussion in 'Waffle' started by DeeGun, Jul 16, 2013.
Dude, Varg is a twisted, but great, guy. Without him, the black metal scene would never grow to today standarts. I don't agree with lots of his political or sociological statements, but all I can see (I follow both media statements and his own through his site) is that since he murdered Euronymous he's being used as a scapegoat for other people's crimes.
All I see is that he´s a racist fuck. Never liked his music anyway.
Racist or not, he's just exposing his ideas about something he believes. Now, linking the rifle's thing with his supposed "act of terrorism" is too much.
That´s not a belief, that´s a crime.
No offense but you really piss me off with saying "he´s just exposing his ideas about something he believes".
You sure know how many people died for these "beliefs" yeah?
Agree with Deegun. The guy is a cunt..
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And I bet youd think differently if he was exposing his ideas if they were about fucking children.
IMO this thread was shit from "black metal"
So, you have at least enjoyed the picture..fag
I appreciate all facial hair Dee, even your girlfriends
Man, I'm not saying that Varg is right or wrong. I DO NOT support his racist views in any kind, and I've never said I did. I'm just saying that as long as we all have freedom to express our beliefs, he'll express his. And this, and solely this (the freedom of expression) can't be taken away from him, or anybody else.
I know what you mean man but I think that his beliefs are not covered by freedom of speech, they are covered in shit.
Do you really believe this guy was planning a massive terrorist attack, as said in that website, DeeGun?
I believe this guy is an antisemite, a racist and therefor a cunt. And to express these "beliefs" is just wrong. I don´t know how you handle things in brasil but if you deny the holocaust here, you have a fackin problem. Rightfully so. Maybe other countries are not sensible enough for these topics because they are far away from the places where all this happened.
I have been to various concentration camps in germany. It´s horrible. You can hear the screams.
And you can´t buy stuff like this here
Been to Auschwitz didnt hear shit, your trashtalking.
My grand-grandfather was a Ukrainian common citizen, who fled Europe when shit was happening during the WW2 (taking my grandfather, still a child, with him), but we never knew if he did suffer anything during war, because he always refused to talk about that subject.
My wife's grandfather was a Jewish salesman from Hungary, who was captured and sent to a concentration camp (we don't know where, as he never said to anyone), and fled under a train with a cousing, before seeing the rest of his family being murdered by SS agents.
So, I practically don't know what I'm talking about, huh?
Answering to your statement, yes, we, brazilians, know all the atrocities people have suffered during WW2 in Europe. This was passed to our generation by people who was there.
Again, I DO NOT support any kind of discrimination. What I DO support is the freedom of speech, being that shit or not.
All that shit happened to your family (and millions other than that) yeah? And then Varg comes along and says, whatever - fuck em, I don´t care how much of em died, it´s fake anyways. They should have killed even more of those jews because they are worthless people and they try to control the world, those greedy conspiracy jews.
..and then you say..oh..fine..freedom of speech.
You gotta be kiddin.
That is not fackin freedom of speech, that is fackin bullshit.
Disgraceful, hateful bullshit.
No, I'm not kidding. If he want to say shit about this, let him say. Will this change history, or what I think about that? No. I just think it was too much for him to be arrested by something they don't even know if he was planning to do.
Anyways, man, I hope you're not offended with our little discussion here. We just have different point of views on the same subject.
Filing this under freedom of speech doesn´t help man. People should step up against racism and all that jazz, anytime. I really can´t understand the thought "as if I (it) would/could change anything"..what about the future?
A bit offtopic but same with voting..
I'm far from believing that our vote means anything. Doesn't matter who I vote for, the same shit keeps happening. It's all cultural, you know? Corruption is everywhere.
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