the end of the flp sound engine discussion: right here

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  1. logikz

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    word up!!! can't believe I never read this
     
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    ????

    so you're happy that FL does a simple job right ?
    maybe you should celebrate the fact that snails are slimey too...WIPEEE!!
     
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    Hmm. Wouldn't a more accurate test be to take a large complex track (i.e. a track you've made), record and then invert it? A simple track mixdown as proposed might not reveal any flaws.
     
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    you can put one million samples in different layers with a thousand different effect plugs, theyll still bounce down to one single wav. its not about these specific wavs, the effect is the same regardless.

    second this simple test here proves a whole hell of a lot more than anyone claiming fruitys summing engine is weak ever did (as there is no kind of proof whatsoever for that)
     
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    Logikz - could you take one of your tracks and invert it + sum. Just to check the engine on complex tasks.

    BTW I use FL and am happy with it but am just raising the complexity argument. I can imagine somebody saying that the FL engine fucks up when performing a complex mixdown.
     
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    there has been talk of that, when using what was it 12 voices or more. sure, i can try that, mind you i havent done any of this myself
     
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    nice to see that experiment man! would sure teach that guy saying " fruity is shit ive been producing for 15 years and i know best" malarky!:D
     
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    who said that malarkey ?
     
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    Just tested this, seems like fruity does indeed have trouble in stereo processing somehow. When I merged all channels to mono the result was indeed nothing. Can't upload attachments for some reason so i cant prove it but this changes nothing for me personally since I rarely bounce anything down in fruity, i like to record my soundcard output straight via my lovely emu converters.
     
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    which version was that tho? 6,7 8 xxl Producer edition? im not sure but, some of the versions have diffrent limitations?
     
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    7 producer edition. It could well be that version 8 has corrected this issue. But something just vaguely crossed my mind: Most of the sound that came through in my test was straight out of a soft synth (albino 3 to be exact) and they seem to be insterting some sort of randomness into the sound, and there is no way to mix them to 0 in reverse polarity. With samples only and no fx it could maybe be done.


    testing.....


    Still left with a little bit of sizzling and hissing sound, like the leftover of a noise reduction plugin.
    edit: tbh i don't think it's about having XXL or producer edition, they have the same sound engine still, just some additional options differ.
     
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    this is really interesting, more people should try this and post their results! I might have a go tomorrow
     
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    if your processing with vst's, surely everytime you play/render your track, the results will be very very slightly different

    thats the way i see it anyway??
     
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    Why should a VST insert randomness? It shouldn't.