I have recently been getting back into producing after a few years of going live, and a lot has changed. When I used to read about some of the producers that I admired, there equipment list seemed to vary and it was almost making me dizzy trying to try them out. However, in recent years NI Massive and Vengeance samples seem to have almost standardized the production of drum and bass (regarding bass and drums not other lead synths). I, personally use both of them and find their sounds almost incomparable but I'm wondering if there is anything out there that compares? Are they actually running the production show or am I hard not looking hard enough. I'm hoping this causes a debate between massive loyalists and users of other VSTs. Your thoughts?