Sub Bass

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  1. Matt Carter

    Matt Carter New Member

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    Afternoon everyone,

    I am new here so this probably has been covered off someone else, so feel free to send a link.

    Basically I have been producing for around 6 months, I am still getting to grips with bass design and its probably my worst part of my production.

    I am struggling with getting sub basses that are warm and gritty for example tracks like

    - Technimatic - Parallel

    I was wondering if anyone would mind sharing some tips/ techniques

    I know its all about playing about until you find what you want but a point in the right direction would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks
    Matt
     
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  3. MentalFrame

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    I just use a single sine wave which you can automate with a LFO. Sub basses can be pretty simple.
    You could start with that and add another oscillator for more character. Just play around with that und you will get what you want I'd say.
     
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  4. Matt Carter

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    Yeah I have been messing around with Serum for a while, I always find the sub bass sticks out far too much. I have EQ it with at 30hz - 65hz, sound about right?
     
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    Sub is on 0-100hz if im right.
    Anyway im a lazy bastard when it comes to sub. I just pick a saw in Nexus eq everything out except bass. then add distortion & a phaser & if necessary eq out the highs/mids again :p
     
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    I tend to use a square wave and then low pass it; that way you can finely tweak the higher harmonics depending on how audible/present you want it to be.
     
  7. Matt Carter

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    That's a pretty decent technique, liquid dnb should be a subtle warm subby not an overpowering thing. I'll give that a go @tomkat
     
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    Sound like a low passed reece.
     
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  9. Matt Carter

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    Whats the best way to make a reece in your opinion?
     
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    With a synth.






























































    Here's a good start but there is a billion ways.
     
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    The basic way to make a reese is to take two saw waves and pitch them apart enough to get that rhytmic beating that speeds up and slows down when you change to a different note. What the actual waveforms are and what effects and filters you might want to apply will leave you with a million different options. =)

    One way to make a sub (in addition to the ones mentioned before) is to apply a subtle amount of distortion to a sine wave. Cabinet modelling usually works fine, but try everything you want to. The reason why you should have distortion (or harmonics, literally the same thing) in a sub sound is to make it more audible and easier to mix. The added harmonics will make the listener think there's more bass even though there isn't. Also: phone or laptop speakers have no chance of reproducing sub range sounds properly, so the harmonics do same trick there: making the listener think there's bass even though it's actually inaudible.
     
  12. Matt Carter

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    Thank you, I will this a go, it all seems so simple when you guys write it down! Do you have any preferred synths on making sub basses, or is it all personal preference?
     
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    I only allow mine to go up to about two decibels below whatever my Kik is set at for the sub itself but the mid-range bass I set just above the kick with the low-pass cutoff... Rather than side chaining it that is
     
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    Sine if the midrange bass is thick and goes down to around 80-100Hz

    Sine + another sine 19 semitones above (= the second harmonic of a triangle/square wave) if there's some space in 100-200Hz region.

    Triangle/lowpassed Square if the sub is playing some melody I want to stick out.
     
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    Nobody here use a 2nd sub (sine) an octave up?
     
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    Not for the sustained sub notes really. Or then it's really quiet.

    EDIT: and usually not introduced by the sub synth itself
     
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    Is there a technical reason you don't SC with the kick or is it preference?
     
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    Also, what analyzers do you use (I use SPAN) to make sure the sub is hitting in freq not easily put out by your monitors?
     
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    I have a 12" sub and rokit 8 monitors so i just use my ears as i already know what frequency i wanna roll it off at.
     
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    preference, i feel SC can take away some of the balls from your sub and i still want to leave my drums plenty of room

    for example i used that technique on this tune..
     
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