Something I've been noticing

Discussion in 'Drum & Bass' started by Norwax, Jun 11, 2014.

  1. Norwax

    Norwax Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    2,467
    Likes Received:
    457
    Location:
    Portugal
    I've got alot of friends who dj, most of them are dnb dj's but there are alot of techno/trance/house/electro/even edm dj's too and I decided to try out something... Everytime I went to their place here's what I did: Asked the dnb dj's to mix some trance/techno/dubstep, and the result was fine, they mixed it with no problem. Of course they didn't do it like techno dj's do it, full of loops and effects and stuff, but the basic mixing was done, 2 tunes playing, perfectly beatmatched.

    But when I asked the other genre dj's to mix 2 simple drum and bass tunes, it was impossible. Almost 1 hour trying, and they can't. They just can't beatmatch. Gave them 2 tunes with the beat from the beggining (Alix Perez - Underprint and The Tube VIP from Spectrasoul) to make it even easier and they couldn't mix them.

    Decided to do this because when I'm at home I try to mix alot of different genres (not edm tho), just some techno, trance, dubstep, even hard techno some times, for fun, and I noticed that it always goes great, as I said before, no effects and loops, just the basic stuff on mixing.

    What are your thoughts on this?
     
    DNB4DCrowd likes this.
  2. evermind

    evermind Broken Symmetry

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2011
    Messages:
    1,711
    Likes Received:
    330
    Location:
    NNY
    people who can't beatmatch are the worst
     
  3. Controller

    Controller (╯'□')╯︵ ┻━┻

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    4,321
    Likes Received:
    108
    Location:
    Hemel Hempstead
    175 BPM is usually a bit overwhelming for EDM folk
     
  4. Solace

    Solace Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2014
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    204
    Location:
    Gent - Belgium
    174 BPM is just to fast for them I guess. The beat is also maybe a bit tricky for those who aren't used to it.
    Trance, techno, dubstep (more or less), electro, house,... All have a steady 4/4 beat, with the kick on each count. I guess on dnb the kick may trow them off or something...

    I notice it myself, I started with mixing dubstep, made the switch to dnb and not long ago I tried my go again with dubstep, almost flawless mix. It's just so much easier to mix... Not worry about double drops, easier drum pattern, slower tempo...


    I've actually heard someone (some house dj) say to me (after mentioning I mix dnb): well, that can't be to hard right? since it's at 87 bpm?
    Wait, what?
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2014
  5. DjTiesticles

    DjTiesticles Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    4,736
    Likes Received:
    244
    Can't believe that I used to listen to trance when I was about 15/16

    Such awful music
     
  6. Norwax

    Norwax Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    2,467
    Likes Received:
    457
    Location:
    Portugal
    Yeah that's what I thought, everything they mix is the basic 4x4 beat and they barely need to touch the pitch, pretty much play/pause with loops and effects to make it sound perfect, that's why I like to mix drum&bass more than any other genre. It actually makes you pay alot of attention to what you're doing, it's like a challenge. Not something that you know is going to go fine before you start to do it

    - - - Updated - - -

    Keep in mind that I'm refering to 2 decks mixing (cdj's or vinyl), not stuff like this (wich is awesome)



    - - - Updated - - -

    For me it depends. There's trance I like and there's trance I just can't stand. there0s a huge variation of sound inside all the trance scene, only appreciate like 2 of them tho
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 12, 2015
  7. Harry3

    Harry3 Chuki

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2009
    Messages:
    8,045
    Likes Received:
    739
    Location:
    Canada
    I reckon its simply because its faster. Theres less time for you to correct the beat before the kicks and snares start overlapping and it becomes more confusing as to if you need to speed it up or slow it down.
     
  8. Mania

    Mania i fukin wot m8

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2013
    Messages:
    1,524
    Likes Received:
    412
    Location:
    Melbourne, Victoria, AUS
    I swear every cunt and their mother learns bpm off beatport. people all over the internet spew the most random numbers
     
  9. Gloxxy

    Gloxxy I SNORT COAL

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2007
    Messages:
    6,160
    Likes Received:
    950
    Location:
    TUT' MINES
    Trance at the turn of the Millenium was quality. I loved going to Cream @ Nation in Liverpool around then because Trance was epic.

    I think this has to do with understanding the bar structure of a syncopated drum pattern vs mixing a 4/4 drum pattern.

    Its easy to mix a 4/4. If you don't understand a syncopated bat structure then you're never going to keep it in time.
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2014
  10. cele

    cele Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,021
    Likes Received:
    151
    Location:
    Austria
    its just a different skillset, a house/techno dj isn't gonna need to be good at beatmatching, he has to be good at using effects or whatever though (which are basically never seen in dnb)
     
  11. MARKLAR

    MARKLAR International Tracksuit Salesman

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2006
    Messages:
    15,034
    Likes Received:
    650
    when there are sticks on the beat you might think its faster than it actually is
     
    Teddy, DeeGun and Shatner's Bosom like this.
  12. Dark Lizardro

    Dark Lizardro The Lizard that has a hammer Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    4,086
    Likes Received:
    887
    Location:
    São Paulo, Brazil
    It's all in the theory behind music. You can make a fast paced music on a 80bpm project, just using 16th notes or 32th notes.
     
    DNB4DCrowd likes this.
  13. tyranny

    tyranny Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2011
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    361
    Sounds fishy to me tbh, in my experience while Techno is harder to mix than DnB is the actual performance standards in Techno - even on an amateur, getting-the-odd-warmup-slot-two-or-three-tunes-on-a-bogey-netlabel buzz are miles higher than DnB.

    Proper house is way harder to mix properly than DnB is too, although less stressful.

    Also, if you're using a shit ton of FX on a house or techno set you're doing it very wrong IMO.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Agreed for a reasonably decent DnB DJ to start mixing techno intuitively it's pretty easy to get your head around and it's much less stressful than DnB is though.
     
  14. DeeGun

    DeeGun Church of Krust

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2008
    Messages:
    14,152
    Likes Received:
    2,570
    Location:
    Full Cycle
    [​IMG]
     
    jungle_fever and Binary_UK like this.
  15. Shatner's Bosom

    Shatner's Bosom murder TANMUSHIMUSHI

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2012
    Messages:
    4,833
    Likes Received:
    1,142
    Location:
    Hummus
    Beatmatching house and techno is easier but actually mixing it is harder, the structures can be really dodgy

    (imo)
     
  16. MARKLAR

    MARKLAR International Tracksuit Salesman

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2006
    Messages:
    15,034
    Likes Received:
    650
    but doesnt that just come down to knowing your tunes?
     
    xiris likes this.
  17. rythmatix

    rythmatix Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    462
    Location:
    Wellington, NZ
    I have played both Trance and D&B for around 10 years now (not so much trance these days as there is just no scene for it where I live and I found it tough to keep up-to-date with both genre's), and I found this funny with opposing DJ's trying to mix them too.

    I think the difference is that you basically match the bassline 4/4 with trance/techno/house, and with D&B you mix on the snares (well I do anyway). That's quite a big difference, then when you add the broken-beat style of drums with D&B into it it could be quite confusing when you are not used to it I imagine...

    Also, some trance in freaking fantastic...and of course some is god-awful. But hey, you can say that about D&B too...
     
  18. ZUL

    ZUL Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    405
    Likes Received:
    37
    My mate put me to the test the other day, destroyed him with some Detroit house & techno when he was certain I could only spin dnb.

    Just depends on how well you know the records but never let anyone know how much you really know.
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2014
  19. sam the dnb man

    sam the dnb man Variation

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    10,437
    Likes Received:
    562
    Location:
    Feltham
    I actually really like mixing techno whilst drunk. It's easy to mix and there isn't as much pressure compared to dnb. I find when I mix dnb I'm overly critical and I overthink. I find myself touching the pitch when I don't have to and stuff like that.
     
  20. Afek_One

    Afek_One Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,007
    Likes Received:
    186
    Location:
    Chicago
    I think mixing house and techno is much harder. I also think the level of djing is better. I know I've said this in a few threads lately, but I've been on a techno kick.

    When I try to teach people to mix, I always tell them to match on the downbeat and ignore the snares. Percussion varies, the down beat never changes.