Some food for thought !!!

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Had to post this for those that missed it. I think Eksman makes a good point.




https://www.facebook.com/eksman?hc_location=timeline

http://www.mediafire.com/view/b47xc42efzxeabt/food%20for%20thought.jpg#


Glad im not the only one who thinks jump up started it all.

However Annix production is far from outstanding in my point of view its them that brought along that horrible screetching sound in jump up. When Noisia said they want to make music with them I was left speechless. Good job that never happened.

Moral of the story, Forget those who think they are too big for the show
 

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However Annix production is far from outstanding in my point of view its them that brought along that horrible screetching sound in jump up.
No. Horrible screeching sounds were introduced by Original Sin/G-Dub, The Force etc pp around 2006.

As for Eksman´s rant..dafuq? New Generation? Majistrate, Sly?

I´m a big fan of his but he tried to make a point whilst smoking a blunt it seems. A fat one.

All these guys he lists have been headlining events, I dunno what he´s talking about tbh. Quite painful to read.
 

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Yeah I lost interest when he started saying Original Sin, Taxman, etc were the new ones to push the scene forward. Fuck off, they've been around for ages and get plenty of head-liners.
 

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No. Horrible screeching sounds were introduced by Original Sin/G-Dub, The Force etc pp around 2006.

As for Eksman´s rant..dafuq? New Generation? Majistrate, Sly?

I´m a big fan of his but he tried to make a point whilst smoking a blunt it seems. A fat one.

All these guys he lists have been headlining events, I dunno what he´s talking about tbh. Quite painful to read.

No OS & G-Dub did it with style and flow. Totally different to the style Annix brought to the scene.

Think the point is everything is so divided now a days.
 

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Sorry to break it for you guys ( [MENTION=25432]DeeGun[/MENTION] & [MENTION=74862]OneSeventy[/MENTION]) but you seem to have some kind of reading comprehension problem, I'd suggest you read it thouroughly again and if nothing comes up this time again, go see your specialist :teeth:


Joking aside, actually is an interesting read and fair point is being made imo.
 

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He does make a fair point and it happens across the whole spectrum of DnB. Its so hard for new artists and DJs to break through and establish themselves and its been the same way for 20 odd years. If anything, it should be A LOT easier these days with accessibility of production software and the biggest promotion tool to hit the world, the internet, but its as hard as ever to try and establish yourself.

Oh, and here's some Food For Thought.

 
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Sorry but as much as I understand what he's saying 'Jump Up' didn't start the careers of Andy C, Friction, Shy FX or DJ Hype.

Jungle / Drum & Bass music did!

If the majority of 'Jump Up' wasn't shite we wouldn't be in this situation.

Sorry to any die hard jump up fans :)
 

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Part of the problem was jump up became a little incestual and somewhat removed itself from "the scene" as a whole, as it went through that transitional period where everyone could made a basic 2 step tune with a screech. The influx of those sort of nights where all you'd hear is those bargin beats from 10pm until 6am. Unfortunately it strikes me that the problem somewhat lies on their shoulders.

Which a lot of that style of music still comes across to me as. The production levels and values have risen, but with most of these "jump up" releases it's still the same thing. Standard, basic boom bip beat with a screechy stab dotted over it. Nothing new or revolutionary. Then you look at some of the "elite" or whatever and see how they've adapted and pushed on different style, modern jump up is still peddling the same sounds from 6-8 years ago.

I don't know what I'm getting at really. But I guess you can't see the forest through the trees. I get that he's passionate about where he's at but I think he's wide of the mark in terms of how highly he rates that type of dnb. It serves it's purpose and it'll bubble along nicely for years to come. But they're not going to change the world or spring forward other genres so to speak as it's too one dimensional.

There was a time a few years back where it was a little exciting and people are being a little more creative. But the replicants just took that sound and drove it into the ground and people continued to lap it up, it's self facilitating.

Errrr, so yeah. Guess like, B+ for effort, but the sentiment is lost and the essay needs some refinement, more research and definition.

BLAOW.
 

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Part of the problem was jump up became a little incestual and somewhat removed itself from "the scene" as a whole.

Which a lot of that style of music still comes across to me as. The production levels and values have risen, but with most of these "jump up" releases it's still the same thing. modern jump up is still peddling the same sounds from 6-8 years ago.

There was a time a few years back where it was a little exciting and people are being a little more creative. But the replicants just took that sound and drove it into the ground and people continued to lap it up, it's self facilitating.
:word: certainly agree with all of this. Welcome back Riisu been a while anyway.

Absolutely bang on that at one stage it used to be a little bit more creative. But I haven't heard anything come out of that side of the scene which is either groundbreaking or will stand the test of time. The majority is throwaway music.
 

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kind of see where hes coming from tbh, scene is quite compartmentalisd and theres not a great deal of crossover between artists in each of the sub scenes playing at other events and so on. sure eksman could do a job at a critical night for example, would bring something different to the table definitely but unlikely to happen as he is associated more with jump up stuff and label owners/promoters/punters, even, think it would be a bit weird maybe so it doesnt happen.

prob should happen more often though - only got to look at that classic calibre set w/ shadow demon to know that it works sometimes.

edit: very easy for all us to say though, not ebing the ones putting on these big events and taking on all the cost/risk etc. got to play it safe i suppose, promotion is a notoriously cut-throat and risky business, especially in london

edit 2: as well, 'raves' in general have changed massively over the past few years. not just some dark room with loud tunes anymore, the big events are full on shows, high production values etc. lots of dj's have mcs of choice as they have done lost of events together, know each others styles and will fit in and be a part of the 'show' as a whole rather than just coming and banging it out for an hour or whatever. people expect more these days.

my 2 cents anyway
 
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It's been this way for years though........

Surely everybody knows that?

That's why there's innovation in the sun for sunburnt pilled up ravers in a pool and sun & bass for the heads that like their deeper stuff!

Eksman at a critical event wouldn't work. It's just the way it is.

Much like the house scene (that has more sub genres than a hedgehog has spikes!).
 

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Part of the problem was jump up became a little incestual and somewhat removed itself from "the scene" as a whole, as it went through that transitional period where everyone could made a basic 2 step tune with a screech. The influx of those sort of nights where all you'd hear is those bargin beats from 10pm until 6am. Unfortunately it strikes me that the problem somewhat lies on their shoulders.

Which a lot of that style of music still comes across to me as. The production levels and values have risen, but with most of these "jump up" releases it's still the same thing. Standard, basic boom bip beat with a screechy stab dotted over it. Nothing new or revolutionary. Then you look at some of the "elite" or whatever and see how they've adapted and pushed on different style, modern jump up is still peddling the same sounds from 6-8 years ago.

I don't know what I'm getting at really. But I guess you can't see the forest through the trees. I get that he's passionate about where he's at but I think he's wide of the mark in terms of how highly he rates that type of dnb. It serves it's purpose and it'll bubble along nicely for years to come. But they're not going to change the world or spring forward other genres so to speak as it's too one dimensional.

There was a time a few years back where it was a little exciting and people are being a little more creative. But the replicants just took that sound and drove it into the ground and people continued to lap it up, it's self facilitating.

Errrr, so yeah. Guess like, B+ for effort, but the sentiment is lost and the essay needs some refinement, more research and definition.

BLAOW.
Nail on the head I couldn't agree more
 

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why? do you not think he could change up his style? its these kind of closed minded attitudes that mean these things don't happen/work. people see it on the flyer etc and are immediately put off rather than giving it a go
Ok so we'll call it personal opinion so it's not denoted that EVERYBODY thinks like me.

What attracts me to an event is the line up. I go to soul:ution because I like intalex, drs and who they book ie, doc scott, loxy, jubei etc.

Firstly would soul:ution book eksman and if so would the regular (paying) clients attend? Lets face it this is a business so profit is important.

Secondly why make the point of him changing his style up? Is he being booked as eksman or booked as eksman changing his style up (which doesn't make him eksman really does it?)

It's like booking taxman at a critical event in the hope that 'he could change up his style' and not play jump up?
 

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Ok so we'll call it personal opinion so it's not denoted that EVERYBODY thinks like me.

What attracts me to an event is the line up. I go to soul:ution because I like intalex, drs and who they book ie, doc scott, loxy, jubei etc.

Firstly would soul:ution book eksman and if so would the regular (paying) clients attend? Lets face it this is a business so profit is important.

Secondly why make the point of him changing his style up? Is he being booked as eksman or booked as eksman changing his style up (which doesn't make him eksman really does it?)

It's like booking taxman at a critical event in the hope that 'he could change up his style' and not play jump up?
theyre being booked as themselves the artist without pre-conceptions, which is the real issue here. youre basing your assumptions, as far as i can tell, on these people being not good at their job which as dj's is to play to/cater for the crowd and event theyre booked at, same as anyone else. im sure they would know they would have to switch it up a bit if they were booked at different events, unless of course they were booked to do their usual thing

i.e you see loxy at a samurai night you know hes not going to play his tearout hardware style, you see him at a hardware night you know he wont be playing his cx style stuff. same difference
 
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youre basing your assumptions, as far as i can tell, on these people being idiots and not good at their job.
Not implied anybody is an idiot or not good at their job. I'm implying personal tastes make eksman an artists I wouldn't choose.

i.e you see loxy at a samurai night you know hes not going to play his tearout hardware style, you see him at a hardware night you know he wont be playing his cx style stuff. same difference
This relates directly back to the whole blue note era. The reason that artist is booked is because he knows how to work crowds at those events. I know I'll always enjoy a loxy set!
 

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It's like booking taxman at a critical event in the hope that 'he could change up his style' and not play jump up?

this would actually work though. DJs are more versatile than MCs. Taxman has had tunes that arent that jump uppy. His remix of digital - the gateman comes to mind, although i dont think it was ever released
 
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