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Discussion in 'Production' started by technic1210, Sep 6, 2008.

  1. technic1210

    technic1210 ''VINYL VINYL VINYL''

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    when people say they take sounds vocals singing watever from old records,how do you do it ie without geting done as dont u need a liscence or permission to do it
     
  2. sam the dnb man

    sam the dnb man Variation

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    i cant remember the exact rules..but ur not allowed to sample more than 11seconds without authorization or something...look it up if ur gunna be sellin ur tune cos otherwise ul get sue'd
     
  3. gsand

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    Always wondered about this too, Buddy and I are starting to produce, and would like to get this cleared up by anybody in the know.


    As you and I both know, there are some big tunes out there that are clearly plagiarized (well, sampled directly) from films and old as well as modern music.

    I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that big time commercial artists aren't going to hand out their rights to bedroom (by comparison) drum and bass artists....


    :end_of_wo
     
  4. MARLZTAH

    MARLZTAH ++DuB PrOFesSoR++

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    you cant release anything with samples from copyrighted material without permission, dont matter how long the samples are

    if you are just making tracks to post on the net its not something you should worry about
     
  5. Nutek

    Nutek movement junglist

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    so hazard asked machete himself to use the sample? and pendulum asked willy wonka?
     
  6. gsand

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    MARLZTAH, Im with you on that one.

    But as for pendulum sampling willy wonka (as nuTEK posted), double vision taking on 50 Cent/Kanye West.... the list goes on.



    Corporations pay big bucks to use this music in adverts, campaigns and all that, how much do you think dnb artists are forking out???
     
  7. Viperdnb

    Viperdnb On his way.

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    I'd like to get a definate answer 2 this too, so you have to have permission from the person who owns the sound?
     
  8. Dustek

    Dustek Finished the PhD

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    Legal advice from a 16 year old. Mate, don't give it.

    Copyright law is an incredibly complex area of law, most lawyers avoid it and those lawyers that do it, are rich and clever.

    That said, you have no basic right to sample a record, whether it be 11 seconds or 11 minutes. If you're using it, you're in breach of copyright.

    So your options are:

    1) get a license - unlikely

    2) fuck it - you're not going to get sued for a track you put up here or DOA or wherever coz you have no money and its a waste of lawyer time. Many commercial dnb releases that sample do so illegally - but even then nobody is going to bother with them because its not worth going after, even Hazard with Machete. If however you achieve a success like Fugee Or Not, you might get sued. Unlikely.

    Like MARLZTAH said.
     
  9. Toejam

    Toejam OOOBEY DOOBEY

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    it can be free publicity on the person you have sampled from, if u have a nice track and people ask where the sample is from then their names get mentioned and that artist could potentially get a wider fanbase
     
  10. Nutek

    Nutek movement junglist

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    thought that was how it goes, it's unlikely that the director a film or whatever is going to listen to drum and bass and even if they dd, wouldn't they be proud? i sure would be :D and yeah the artist might be making money, but i doubt they'd give a toss about that, being millionaires and ting.
     
  11. RevTech

    RevTech Butthole=output transduce

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    Check by googling fair use and stuff
     
  12. Fratanize

    Fratanize Keepin the jungle alive

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    I think the fact that very little money is made from making dnb tunes helps. If hazzard got himself a house in the hollywood hills with machete, then someone might pipe up and say "OI"!
    If He made a crimbo number 1 that fed him royalty cheques for the rest of his life. He would get a spanking then.
    Fact is, there is no mega money in dnb unless you sell out to commercialism. The big money is in making appearances as a producer/DJ at big events. If a record company is big time enough to give you an album deal then they will be big time enough to get the permission for the sample to be used.
    Money talks and dnb is not a big money genre.
     
  13. RevTech

    RevTech Butthole=output transduce

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    so if I want to use the helicopter break, who do I ask for permission?...
     
  14. krease

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    like any artist you sample is gunna find out about your independent vinyl release :/
     
  15. richie_stix

    richie_stix gomby plz

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    all sampling without permission is illegal... even say classical music samples, the right belongs to the performer, ie London Orchestra or whoever... it is a legal minefield!

    it's a shame though... as, for example, scientist work off the back of another scientists research to push the envelope further, films, tv and animations play off and parody existing film, tv and animations as a mark of cultural acceptance. It's only in music where people are massivly cuntish and wont let their (when i say 'their', i mean what the record company actually owns) work help to progress music further!
     
  16. motion audio

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    Theres two forms of protection on recordings of songs etc, one is the rights for the recording (usualy owned by the record company) and one is the right for the material (usualy owned by the artist).

    Suprise suprise its usualy the record company thats more arkward, although most major companies wont bother with little sampled bits unless it proves to be doing them out of money.

    So to use a sample, you need permission to use the recording, and permission to use the material. Otherwise its illegal.

    If an artist says yes, but the record company says no, then you could re-record the artist doing the bit themselves, but thats not usualy an option for people making a dnb tune!
     
  17. rob_del_terror

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    needn't read any further than this:-

     
  18. demonicdnb

    demonicdnb got duct-tape?

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    this. even the big names in dnb just go for it and hope they don't get sued im pretty sure. if anything the first thing you get is a cease and desist letter which means "stop printing these records you silly bitch" , at which point you better stop printing them. They figure you didn't make shit off of your unknown genre of music that you printed maybee 1500 plates of. So its a waste of time to go further. If even that far.
     
  19. RevTech

    RevTech Butthole=output transduce

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    bump....
     
  20. kama

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    you ask me.

    I permit you.
     
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