Inspiration?!

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  1. Delinquent

    Delinquent Member

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    I'm totally stuck for inspiration, I've tried new styles, listening to all sorts of music, etc. I've made stuff that's pretty normal and stuff that's unlistenably weird but none of it is any good or appeals to me, for some reason.

    What do you do for inspiration? :confused:
     
  2. jimjimjim

    jimjimjim oldskool

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    when it gets like that i either:
    1. take along break
    2. go on youtube - watch tutorials for the DAW im using - try out different techniques - dont try and make a tune.
    3. just play around with effects - try and make different sounds.

    basically you cant force creativity - just try and make new sounds and sometimes a track just comes out at you.

    failing that watch some porn.
    :)
     
  3. Zeal

    Zeal Ohm/C2D/Dark Asylum/Ennex

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    Take a break

    honest, if i aint getting nothing down and nothing is coming out or working, i lay off of production for a good couple of weeks
    play xbox and all that kinda shit, go out and about.

    You will sit down after a ncie break and come out with several good ideas, i promise you

    try it ;)
     
  4. dafo93

    dafo93 SWITCH FUSION

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    Find an awesome piece of music that inspires you, or listen to something you haven't listened to in ages. Works for me!
     
  5. Delinquent

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    I'll take a break, then. It's really sapping to try and fail at even laying down a good beat.
     
  6. Yobbo

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    Saw a good interview with dance producer D.Ramirez in Mixmag I think. Well anyway, he gave some sound advice along the lines of; spend one day making up riffs, bassline, and hooks, finding sounds that you like and keep it all in one session. Then come back to that the following day and see what you've got then pick and mix as you like for sounds you'd like to use in a track you want to create and save them/put them all in folder for referencing later on.
    When you come to start the project have a brief idea of the structure and write it down, like e.g. : Intro, Section 1, Section 2, Middle 16, Section 3 etc... Basically giving you some guidlines or boundries to work around.
    Then open up that folder with your saved sounds and bang them in your project, I personally have a pad and a pen to hand to scribble down ideas and things to try and have a look at, but it keep it fairly simple in the foetal stages of the track, and just gradually build things up and take a step back to see if there's too much going on or not enough. Don't start trying to major amounts of mixing and EQing just yet, little bits here and there but don't go mental with it when you're still working on the musical and intrumental side of things.
    Take a break, and come back to it. Then start thinking about how it sounds, and get to work on your EQing, tidying up velocities, adding compression etc...

    Might not be making a whole lot of sense here, my head's a bit mashed in fomr last night...

    But try to look at making a track like this and dedicate using your time creatively and in an organisational manner for each stage of production, don't try and do both at the same time because you can end up trying to do too much and end up frustrated:

    Pre-production: (Beat making, synthesis, finding sounds)
    > Creativity- Like I said before, just do as much as you like and save it all to a folder or whatever.
    > Organisation- Tidy up things like velocities, use EQ sculpting to get a rough outline of the space in the frequency spectrum you want that sound to dominate.

    Composition: (Track/song structure, sections, breakdowns)
    > Creativity - Write down a basic structure and just generally think about how you want your track to develop, give yourself a skeleton to work with and remember that you can always change it up if neccessary. Also experiment with the sounds in those sections.
    > Organisation - Make decisions on how much you instrumental textures and musical features you'd like to have in each part of your track. Refine things and get the right balance until you're satisfied.

    Mastering/Post production: (Mixing, finalsation of the tune sonically.)
    >Creativity - I tend to think in groups of sounds when it comes to this stage and work in each environment of Bass, Midrange, and High end respectively, so what I'm trying to say here is SOLO those groups of sounds and just listen to see if there are any artifacts like pumping and distortion or shrill ear piercing twats of frequencies coming through in your mix, use your EQ's to sculpt the sounds giving them enough breathing space so they aren't having to compete with each other for power in that section. Cutting out useless frequencies is what you want to be aiming at here. Also decide if things need more or less compression and consider your overall volume output of your mix and tweak your master level output and master level compressor so there isn't any digital distortion.
    >Organisation - Once you've got a good balance of the mix save your track upto where it is, and do a bounce if you're happy. But by this point you want to be taking a break, give your ears a rest and come back to it. You'll often find that it sounds a bit different once you do and may notice certain elements that might be too loud or that your mix hasn't got enough energy in certain frequency bands. If that's the case open up your project again and tweak it, but save it as another name like *Project Name V.2 Master* or something like, don't be saving over the original mix because you can royally fuck it up.

    Hope this helps and remember that you can always go back to each stage of production if you want to add anything else. This is just a method and I certaintly don't always stick to it, but it does help dividing your time for the creative side of things and the organisational side of things. Because your using one side of your brain if you try to do both at the same time it can often have a conflicting affect and stagnate your progress. Not everyone is the same and not everyone has the same amount of time to dedicate to this shit, some producers will have spend a day on each side of the production working creatively one day and in an organistional manner in the next. I have to work in an evening when I come back from work so I'll spend maybe an hour being creative and an hour organising stuff. Or even breaking it down into 5 minutes chunks.
    I'm off to get horizontal, I've typed far too much here. Hope this sort of helps, I know it's helped me.
     
  7. DJPancake

    DJPancake NEW NAME IS DJ INCLINED

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    follow all of these and you'll feel allot better in a week or two.

    ...another suggestion is to change your media format. If your used to .mp3 from your ipod/computer, then switch to cassette tape or vinyl. Also switch your speakers/headphones.
     
  8. Delinquent

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    Thanks alot Yobbo, for the patience to write that out and for helpful advice! even if you are feeling a bit rough. :)
    And DJ Pancake, why do you suggest changing media types? Has it helped you?
     
  9. Mr Fletch

    Mr Fletch aka KRONIX

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    Take some time out. I have a very bad habit of of having a messy external hard drive. I download samples and don't bother putting them in correct folders etc etc. I had a stage about a month ago where nothing was coming together, so I took the time out to re-organise my drive. I now have a folder for samples which has sub folders for type of sample (vocals, drums etc). A folder for 8 bar loops that I have created, so if I need inspiration in the future, I can open this folder and find loops I've created in the past and havnt followed up. I have a folder for all my mp3 rendered tracks. One for projects that are in progress and one for projects that need mixing down and mastering. It's helped me loads.
     
  10. vicious-beats

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    Enter a production competition. You'll feel your sphincter tighten up until some inspiration comes. Deadline fast approaching, nothing like a bit of pressure to fuel inspiration (or is it panic, the two are starting to blur together)
     
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  11. safety

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  12. moriaty

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    absolutely. deadlines are one of the biggest motives for me. i think ive finished about 3 tracks in my life that werent pushed by a deadline, and that sucks really. i have to tattoo the words "DO WORK MOTHERFUCKER" on my forehead man...
     
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    inspiration, not perspiration mang..
     
  14. 3xit

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    by deadlines, do you mean releases? what did you do before you got to that stage?
     
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    nah, no releases here. beats for vocalists and university assignments.
    i dont think anyone would push you for a release in this scene. perhaps if you had a solid tune and the owner pushed you for the b-side, but unless you're established, no one will be setting release deadlines for unfinished tracks.
     
  16. DJPancake

    DJPancake NEW NAME IS DJ INCLINED

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    yeah, it helped me a month or so ago, i found a bunch of cassette tapes which brought back old memories and gave new ideas. I recorded one into my DAW then put it on my iPod. It was ripped from super awesome radio show, with jungle-mashup, ragga-bass, underground-bass, ect. (Now that i think of it i should post it somewhere online so everyone can enjoy it)

    I also found some Lady Sovereign, short chick with heavy west-coast beats, and dank lyrics. lol

    (old memories? i'm only 16. lmao)
     
  17. druu

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    Find an offline hobby (aka real world). Get your blood moving, physical activity. Sitting, staring at a screen for prolonged periods alone can drain you!

    I went mountain biking last saturday morning, slammed like 3 times with my mates cacking themselves laughing, was very fun!
     
  18. RevTech

    RevTech Butthole=output transduce

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    Do anything related to production that is not on the computer.

    Mess with a few hardware synths, look at magazines for new gear, interviews that are printed, actually doing you're job/school work instead of producing, take a hike and think about writing down inspiration along the way, and talk to producer friends.
     
  19. Yobbo

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    Don't do what I did over the last few days and get 'Produceritis'... I've found myself unable to sleep properly for the last 4 nights after spending ages mixing a track and hearing parts of it and loops of it in my head to the point where it's pissing me off. Maybe I'm just going mental! But auditory hallucinations are not fun, and the only other time I've experienced them are post-dnb nites. Just on that note, after getting mashed and going out to a rave, during the comedown when trying to get to sleep I've found I can hear mental basslines and beats, maybe its just in my recent memory and it's my mind refusing to shut down but I'm not the only one to complain of this. After the last Metropolis in Leeds when Andy C played at Victoria Works me and a mate both had the same experience but realised it was the hum from his fridge and pc! I'm not fucking shitting either, it was well trippy..:s
     
  20. ARTFX

    ARTFX www.artfx-studios.com

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    Just lay back, watch a movie, listen some music, or do something else.