Individual Mandate

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  1. Dugg Funnie

    Dugg Funnie Well-Known Member

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    logikz I Am Not The King Staff Member

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    hey there douglas. yo mind if i call you douglas? is that your name? douglas?

    so yeah ok whats happening, has there been another loony decision passed in parliament? something grinding your gears?

    do tell. you know how they say a picture says more than a thousand words? well a picture of a face what says those words is more
     
  3. IV4

    IV4 Currently a newt.

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    Doug it is a good thing. The rest of the modern world has a single payer system. The U.S. on the other hand has a health care system so horrid we rank 37th in the world right between Slovenia and Costa Rica. It is time we made a progressive step to start insuring the 50 million Americans who can't see a doctor.

    Also the law is not unconstitutional. Congress and the Senate passed the bill. The president signed it, and the Supreme Court declared it constitutional. You can't get much more legal than that.
     
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    logikz I Am Not The King Staff Member

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    shoot i forgot your name iv4, shit i am sorry. what was it again? im getting michael vibes?
     
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    My name is Dr. Sir Michel Bolton of Denver.
     
  6. Dugg Funnie

    Dugg Funnie Well-Known Member

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    I'm down with a single player system, how you gonna be pimpin' out hoes if you got a wifey 'n' chillen's up at duh crib?!

    I'm all for healthcare reform and I'm like 98% for the ACA, but just the individual mandate itself is just a complete afront to the constitution. I'll have to dig deeper, I really wish finding un-biased source of FACTS won't so god-damned difficult XD.


    Regardless, the Penguins just SHIT on the Flyers so idgaf.


    And my name is Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard III.
     
  7. Dugg Funnie

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    Slavery was legal to.
     
  8. ThePapa

    ThePapa Suffragette City..

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    Yeah you need to get away from whether something is 'constitutional' or not especially given your last post Duggie. Why anyone would care what people from the late 18th century thought about things is beyond me. Just argue the points as they are.



    Can you explain this mandate thing to limeys?
     
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    IV4 Currently a newt.

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    Not quite.
    If you don't have insurance in the U.S. you can be covered by your state in a public option. The price of your insurance is based on your annual income and family members in house holds. So if your poor you pay for your insurance through normal everyday taxes. While if your middle class or working class you pay a small premium.
    If you choose not to get the insurance. You will be taxed around $700.00 a year, about 433 pounds. To help pay for the people who may need to see a doctor.

    The law also dictates people with cancer or asthma can now get health insurance and not be denied health coverage from private companies as a pre-existing condition.
    Another aspect of the law is, if you are already covered and if you get cancer your health insurance cannot deny you coverage after the fact.
    Both of the laws said before are common practices in the U.S.

    It is a law pushed by our President to bring us into the 21st century concerning health care.

    Fun real facts about American Health care.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systemswww.commonwealthfund.org/Charts/Rep...n-Healt/O/Overall-Ranking-of-6-Countries.aspx
    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/countries-spend-most-health-care-618241
    http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/healthinsurance.html
    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...1400_Davis_Mirror_Mirror_on_the_wall_2010.pdf
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1209711
    http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2008.157685
    http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2000/122000/interview-himmelstein.html
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries.html
     
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    That was really a thing?
     
  12. IV4

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    Still is , the law goes into effect in January.
    Merica,
     
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    Duggie is this about fining people for not buying health insurance? A fine of £17 for a gap of more than three months coverage is not something to freak out about surely. A lot of things that are for the public good (like income tax or car insurance) are mandatory it seems to me you can't just hope people will do the right thing I know if it was left to me I wouldn't have any coverage at all.

    We have a national insurance system in this country where everyone working pays about 4.85% of their income a week towards it which is matched by their employer. Those without jobs don't pay anything they're covered anyway because that's the sort of society we want to live in. Like income tax and pension contributions it's deducted at source nobody ever has to think about it it doesn't play on the mind etc and we don't have all the 'please help raise money for little Aisha' campaigns you guys seem to have.

    Every other civilised country has one they can't all be wrong surely? All the same arguments were played out in the 20s when they first mooted the idea of a nationalised pension system in the US do you think they were wrong to force people into it Dugg? Are state pensions intrinsically evil hmmm?

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    I'd hate the idea of searching for a plan that suited my meagre income it sounds quite depressing. The idea that both rich and poor alike are entitled to the same level of healthcare within a society actually warms the heart. You guys believe in equality right?
     
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