I HATE THE AMEN!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Production' started by Mr Fletch, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. Mr Fletch

    Mr Fletch aka KRONIX

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    There........I said it! bring on the flames!

    Seriously though, I appreciate it played a huge influential part in the early days of drum and bass, and fully understand why. But in this day and age where we are now, the drum and bass genre has evolved ten fold, with various genres popping up everywhere. Now, whenever I hear the amen in a track (unless it's proccessed beyond recognition), I think it just sounds sloppy. It always sounds really muffled and muddy, which was fine back in the 90's, but with pressure on a producer to get the upmost clarity from their sounds I cant really see it fitting in much anymore.

    So.....whats your thought's on this subject?
     
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    then you'll love this jump up song
     
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  4. jimjimjim

    jimjimjim oldskool

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    i still like it - but then i still prefer old skool vibes.

    but agree - a bog standard amen has been done 2 death
     
  5. Jwood27

    Jwood27 VICTIM

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    people like tech itch etc can still use it perfectly imo

     
  6. Mr Fletch

    Mr Fletch aka KRONIX

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    yeah if used correctly it's ok, but even in that track you posted, I wouldve preffered something else.

    Anyway, its just my opinion, I'm not trying to start wars or anything.
     
  7. Labrat

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    its fairly rinsed for new productions but i love an amen rinse out once in a while, most modern jungle producers are using more obscure breaks nowdays which is sick!
     
  8. mr meh

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    I like amen tunes if its done right.

    Like Chase & Status - In Love & Hurt You are both great fairly recent amen tunes...
     
  9. Teddy

    Teddy 60% Staff Member

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    i think you're completely right
    but i still love hearing it, cant explain why, i should be sick of it by now
     
  10. HyperonDnb

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    the amen only sounds bad to those who arent good at eqing their drums, plus theres so many versions out there so its not hard to find a clean sample, i think its still a fairly big part of dnb, for example in liquid i hear amens a lot, also in some heavy dark tunes also.
     
  11. marcelkennard

    marcelkennard Storms comin in Annie

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    The sloppiness and muddiness of the amen is all part its charm in my opinion. I fucking love the amen. It doesn't matter if other people use it or not in tracks, or if the sound of it matches the cleanness of some modern drum and bass, it's all about my personal relationship with the actual amen break that makes it so cool.
     
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    Re: Ëåâèí è Ïàíêî&

    what the hell?
     
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    im tired of tracks that are 6 minutes of chopped amen but occasionally somebody does something unexpected with it and i do get excited (nebula - astral soul comes to mind as something recent).

    as for it being muddy, even taking it directly off the 45 it is an easy break to eq. perhaps you mean noisy not muddy?
     
  15. sam the dnb man

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    I do like a bit of muddiness in drum arrangements from time to time. Break's drums have a muddiness about them which I think is deliberate.

    But yes, the amen can work but the rest of the track has to be spot on as well.
    Im sick of tracks that only consist of an amen break, subby hits and a few different samples.
     
  16. luciduk

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    woosh i wouldnt use the word muddy to describe breaks drums but i know what you mean, i would say they have texture to them. hes different though.


    Does the amen still have a place in dnb? i think so! i wouldnt want to banish the break any time soon.

    nice tune btw rory
     
  17. JungleFever

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    amen breaks are sick do you not like tunes like terrordrome?, dark soldier, gate keeper ??
     
  18. luciduk

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    theres no amen in gatekeeper
     
  19. Snaz

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    The Amen still has its place because of its power, a tearing amen droppin in a set can really stir things up.

    Also the top end of an amen just slightly in your mix can give a track that little something extra if you know what i mean.
     
  20. ali^

    ali^ Bigtingsagwarn

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    tbh I think the thing you said about it being too muddy and not clinical enough for deeper tunes, isn't true at specifically true, maybe not throughout the whole tune.
    theres nothing like an amen shuffle when used right e.g. 0.52

    so many minimal/techy tunes with a little fucked up amen at the end of 32bars, always works.
    most of the time in liquid etc when it's just a plain amen for the whole tune, i agree, it's a little boring, however it can be done;


    and as for the sloppyness, I think when you can actually hear the seems of where the sample is chopped and moved it sounds so powerful
    also as mentioned somewhre earlier in here the high end is raw energy for any break, (also pretty nice to get a few decayed hits if you're after that clinical sound)
     
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