Human Rights Act

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  1. miszt

    miszt BASSFACE Royale

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    It is now official Conservative policy, they will scrap the Human Rights Act after the next election, announced at their party conference today. you ready for what lies ahead in Britain?


     
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    Too little too late. I doubt this policy would of even come about without the increase in ukip's popularity
     
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    danzilla Active Member

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    Can you summarise what this will mean for people like me who don't follow politics?
     
  4. miszt

    miszt BASSFACE Royale

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    what is too little too late? you want to see the act scrapped? This policy sums up everything that is wrong with the Conservative ideology, it will set britain back 150 years in progressive policy. It can be stopped - just depends if people will still vote Tory at the next election.

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    The main rights are:


    Article 2: the right to life
    Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman/degrading treatment
    Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
    Article 5: the right to liberty and security
    Article 6: the right to a fair trial
    Article 7: freedom from punishment without proper legal process
    Article 8: the right to respect for private and family life
    Article 9: freedom of thought, conscience and religion
    Article 10: freedom of expression
    Article 11: freedom of assembly and association
    Article 12: the right to marry (not included under UK law)

    Since then, more rights have been added. These extra rights are in ‘Protocols’. They key ones are:

    Article 1, Protocol 1: the protection of property
    Article 2, Protocol 1: the right to education
    Article 3, Protocol 1: the right to free elections
    Article 2, Protocol 7: the right to appeal in criminal matters
    Article 3, Protocol 7: the right to compensation for wrongful conviction
    Article 4, Protocol 7: the right not to be tried or punished twice
    Article 5, Protocol 7: equality between spouses
    Article 1, Protocol 12: a general prohibition of discrimination (not just in relation to the Convention rights as already protected by Article 14)
    Article 1, Protocol 13: the complete abolition of the death penalty.
     
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    richie_stix gomby plz

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    cereal? i always feel like these are scare tactics... i mean at the end of the day your always voting between a douche and a turd sandwich.

    as far as i am concerned, NOTHING in my life has changed between governemnts

    if it is real, im fackin off to oz or nz
     
  7. Moskit

    Moskit :rodigan: Staff Member

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    Its like they're pressing the "we don't wanna be in power anymore button", i had to double take when i saw it on my news feed...

    Who in their right mind would vote for them after this?

    Genuine disbelied they went ahead with it tbh...
     
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    saw it coming...but they're not gonna win the next election.
     
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    I agree, but the alternatives are weak. Another hung parliament for sure.
     
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    miszt BASSFACE Royale

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    half the people in this country didnt think they would get in at the last one - but they did. I know its a cliche to bring up Hitler - but, he was elected leader of a coutry which had denounced Nazism just a few years before.

    never say never, and never take your freedom for granted....especially when so much hatred has been succesfully stired up towards immigrants, foreigners, the poor and the weak, by a right wing government with an ideology that is 200 years old, from a time when Britain was an Empire, and Slaves where common place. people think conservatism is just another political party, and that is how they got back into power
     
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    theresa may needs to mash her horrendously cunty face into a blender

    I didnt think we used the "we need to do this because terrorism" card anymore
     
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    DeeGun Church of Krust

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    if they do this and the referendum on the EU, which will end up with us leaving the EU, we will be one of the most isolated countries in the developed world
     
  14. miszt

    miszt BASSFACE Royale

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    init - foolish rich pricks.

    I watched Osborne give his speech this afternoon, the irony of his statement, that "people will no longer get something for nothing", made me mad...considering he inherited a multi-million ££ fortune.


    but that was nothing compared to later hearing an official announcement of the destruction of rights, for which so many gave their lives to secure
     
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    So it´s Article 4 they want to get rid of especially..they don´t need to really. Most people will second that, as they think people live of their taxes and they are far too narrow minded to watch behind the curtain.

    They force people in germany too and the whole construct is totally against the very first point of the constitution but nobody cares. They are all fackin minions.
     
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    Summary: America, FUCK YEAH!
     
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    Fuck Conservative Party.


    George Osborne needs assassinating !
     
  18. IV4

    IV4 Currently a newt.

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    I feel you Mistz. The U.S. is already a conservative country as compared to many European countries, and the rich with the uneducated are fighting tooth and nail to take away rights from everyone they can.
    However, I would refrain from using Hitler comparisons. Overhere, everytime Obama does something good and progressive for the country consevative nuts go off and compare obama to Hitler. Right now it's Obama is like hitler because Obama has started a universal healthcare system that collects data and hitler killed jews. Sure retarded people buy into it but most people are just tired of the retarded comparison. Fear should not sway somebodies thought process.

    Actually that brings up a question I never thought about before. Should fear persuade your though process and should it be a political tactic for liberals? I like to think I make my political decisions by using a series of statements that justify a rational argument that is beneficial to my life and society based on my beliefs. However, here in the U.S. many people vote on the fear ticket. telling people to be afraid works. Thoughts?
     
  19. Dugg Funnie

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    Fear is emotional (read: instinctive and more based in the limbic system of the brain, a.k.a. the reptilian brain) so if you get somebody scared enough, it doesn't matter what they actually think about the subject.
     
  20. miszt

    miszt BASSFACE Royale

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    I know the Hitler comparison is tiring, but we should never forget how easy it is for politicians to take away peoples freedom. I personally cannot see any comparison with Obama - but then I'm not a Republican, I'm a socialist, and I think that the US should have implemented a full health care service decades ago.

    It wasnt actually 'retarded' people who bought into Hitler, he was voted in with a MASSIVE majority, delusional behaviour can build momentum, if the right enviroment exists and the right person is able to take advantage of it. Germany was in a deep depression, millions out of work, immigration at an all time high, tensions thruout Europe at an all time high - the enviroment was ripe for Nationalist hysteria to develop - I would say that the UK today is not far from that same set of enviromental pressures, and groups like UKIP and the Conservatives are seeking to take advantage of it. I'm not calling Cameron, Theresa May or Osbourne a Nazi when i say any of this, he is as much a product of the enviroment as everyone else, but he is manipulating the enviroment in ways which are increasing the social tensions which can lead to devestating dictatorships

    I agree that fear does work, personally I vote based on my principals, which are heavily left wing and socialist, I believe that even in the face of fear, we should stick to the principal that all people should be treated equally, regardless. I hope that I am never swayed by fear to leave my principals behind, but I am only human, and the drive to fight for survival is the strongest thread in the human mind, no matter how advanced, intelligent or academic we consider ourselves to be.

    agreed, there is a point in all of us, at which we succumb to fear over reason. its unfortunate that the threshold, when averaged out across the population, is far lower than it should be for a so called intelligent species, that is supposed to be capable of great compassion