How would one go about creating a triplet beat?!?

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  1. MC Motion

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    You know the one's, Vault, that tune with the dodgy talking at the beginning how do producer's make this beat?

    I think some call it a swing step but whenever i've tried mixing those parts it won't go in time with a normal beat, therfore having to get rid of the tune being mixed in as the triplet is riding.

    There must be some trick technique to it. I personally wouldn't use it much in tune's but I must admit they are cool and i'm intrigued to see how there made,


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  2. sdm

    sdm This is Dog Fort

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    Change the time signature of the tune to 3/4 and rearrange your beats accordingly. That's what I did anyways :)
     
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    if you're using logic it's just a matter of adjusting the quantization to 8 or 16 Swing instead of straight 16ths or 8ths etc etc...
     
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    Yeah basically the beat is divided into 3 where it would be divided into 4, or 6 instead of 8 and so on
     
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    Quantize to 8T or set time sig to 12/8
     
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  7. MC Motion

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    Cheers guys,

    Didn't know it was common knowledge!!! Still quite complicated though, too much effort to do something which has been done before!

    Nice one people
     
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    Serum Well-Known Member

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    To be honest i'd like to hear more of it
    A different style of beat is nothing to be afraid of
     
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    qauntize 1/8t
     
  10. koopa

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    well Motion dont take Shimons advise, his EMU is about £1200.

    I didnt realise it was as simple as quantising. The thing i still cant work out is that if you strech a 3 bars over 4 surly its just slowing down, the vault/bodyrock seems to have some clever twisting in there, as laying a kick snare over the sound plots in the same place as a dnb breakbeat tune>

    How are you getting on anyway any luck?

    Anyone know how its poss in FL

    Repect

    :lighter:

    :Koopa:
     
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    Serum Well-Known Member

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    In FL you need to go into the settings and set to have 3 or 6 steps to a beat instead of the usual 4.
    Sometimes it cocks up the timing and you have to just up or down the tempo to get it right but it's doable
     
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    You can't have an entire tune of it though, its best used sparingly to create more of a impact. Don't want it getting rinsed like the reece but I agree that there's enough space to experiment more with it.
     
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    serum- i tried this a while back with no luck!

    Motion- you are right bodyrock sits at the back of my record collection, but i reckon i will rinse vault for time to come!


    I followed the beat of J5's swing set it goes summin like this

    0----0----0----0----
    ---/- ---/- ---/- ---/-
    where 0= kik
    /=snare

    happy swinging!

    :lighter:
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  14. Charlie Van Pelt

    Charlie Van Pelt Charles N. Charge

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    I'd like to try this kind of beat for the tune after the one I'm working on now, as it fits the hook I have in mind.

    Chuck :who_wants
     
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    Your head must be pretty marvellous!

    i got it to play up to about 160 bpm without it sounding too fast, im sure you may do better.

    Just to clarify

    in fruity set the beat lenght =20
    bar lenght=5

    Respect
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  16. sdm

    sdm This is Dog Fort

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    I did it in FL Studio.

    Set the tempo to '348' (174 times by 2) and used the extra space in the '8 beat per bar' pattern.

    I've attached what I did :)
     

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    Of course it is, but I actually get my hooks from "other sources." Granted, I only use them if they "hit" me, know what I mean? For example: the main hook in "Another One Bites The Duck" was inspired by Mega Man X3 boss music.

    Thanks for the tip, SDM. :slayer:

    Chuck :who_wants
     
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    MisChieF I've been naughty, I'm banned

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    Yup i did that about a year ago... didnt change the 4/4 siganture, but blocked them in 3s instead of 4s which is a bit confusing at first but it works.
    It sounds different, and youre able to break to it, but can be confusing to people used to the 4/4 system
     
  19. koopa

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    Im nuff confuzed... did you change the bar length?
    Thanks for the example I tried to follow it. Its more like lazy bones... is this the same as the vault.

    @mis chief ..taken that on board..sweet

    respect

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  20. MisChieF

    MisChieF I've been naughty, I'm banned

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    its like this, you got your drumbox running at, say 160 BPM
    you got 4 blocks, usually 3 repeat Blocks, then the ending at the fourth block
    Instead, you just play 2 repeat blocks and 1 block ending, which means it loops after 3 blocks
    All drum n bass, with a few exceptions runs with 4 or 8 block repeats, this one will repeat after 3,6,9 and 12 blocks

    I dont know if thats it, coz i havent heard the tune

    The swing thing, is like the 1/16t or 1/8t setting on some drumboxes
    i think these make a 1/16 pause or 1/8 pause after finishing each beat or block?
    Try those on lower speeds, like hip hop speed to hear it
    Havent been using it much, and have only got good results from it once (cant fuckin remember)

    as for the 3/4 break, ive made a full track using it, but i was so f00ked at the time, i missed a lot of section breaks (i had to remember the changeovers at every 12, instead of every 16th bar)
    Changing your drum signature to 3/4 will probably be wiser, then you can still arrange them in 4s but thats theory, i havent tried it yet

    www.dictionary.com try checking mischief on it >:p