How to add more width to a sound?

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  1. Cat Gas

    Cat Gas Aka Basis

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    How do I make a sound appear more spacious on both sides, not just panning? Autopanning ridiculously fast doesn't seem to work too well...
     
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    reverb, chorus, phaser, flanger and delay all add more space..
     
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    Apart from chorus and reverb, not really the kind of width I was aiming for, I mean space so the hit will sound like it quite wide on both monitors
     
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    send to another 2 mixer channels, pan one to the left and the other one to the right.
     
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    Cat Gas Aka Basis

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    That didn't work, because the left and right panning sort of counter each other out and what seems to happen is that it's just centered, but a bit quieter
     
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    no idea then. that doesnt happen when im doing that.. quite a common technique i thought aswell..
     
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    Cat Gas Aka Basis

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    Actually what I just found which is weird, is that autopanning at it's highest amount and rate works for some sounds (those which are high) and muddies up the lower pitched sounds...Anywho, that seems to work for these sounds i'm doing now :D
     
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    A delay with slightly different delay times on the left and right side will give a bit of space but prob not as much as you're meaning.

    I bought the Blue Tubes effects pack a while ago and it has a Stereo Imager. Very simple slider, centre is neutral, left is mono, right is wide stereo. Pretty sure that's exactly what you're talking about.

    Google some vsts.
     
  9. dexter

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    i know what you mean roadrunner i too am interested in different widening techniques, another one, for ableton, there are 2 presets in EQ8, stereo widening ones, both sound a little odd, but do it pretty good, maybe have a go at tweaking them.
     
  10. RevTech

    RevTech Butthole=output transduce

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    duplicate, pan hard left and hard right. Delay them a bit. add subtle processing to each channel (left and right).

    duplicate, reverse polarity, and detune. add on stereo enhancer

    duplicate twice. reverse the polarity of the duplicates and detune them equally (+3 and -3 respectively) resample, add very subtle filtersweeps, but loads of them

    chose one path, be righteous.
     
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    Cat Gas Aka Basis

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    noob question time: What do you mean reverse polarity?
     
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    Neomind Too many skulls!">:O

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    when following RevTech ideas (which are the most common) be carefull on the detuning amount, it will give you a phasing effect all the time (since phasers work this way...).
    so you gotta be very subtle or cautionous on doing it.
    apart from that, reversing polarity is "reversing the soundwave" in ableton, you have the "utility" which has 2 buttons for inversing the phase of each stereo channel. If you do both, you'll reverse polarity.
     
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    Sammy Dexcell Stop editing my profile Smarty!

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    Waves s1 imager (part of the Waves pack) or any type of sound image modulation should get what you want.
     
  14. dexter

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    also in live 8, theres frequency shifter or changer or whatever its called, add one of them, click the width button, and then increase the spread very small amounts, youll get good stereo widening with this, just not too much or itll phase and start to detune.

    i learnt this from the live manual btw



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  15. spung3

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    Start with a wide sound.
     
  16. Neomind

    Neomind Too many skulls!">:O

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    btw, in Reason, Unison does the job + MClass Stereo Imager
     
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    SmellyChewbacca I've been naughty, I'm banned

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    more oscilators.... distortion,
     
  18. Neomind

    Neomind Too many skulls!">:O

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    ???
    how'd you get stereo widening with distortion? or with more oscilators?
    panning the distorted one side and the not distorted to another... looks like a strange idea with lots of phashing problems innit...
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    worth trying :teeth:
     
  19. RevTech

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    he's banned don't listen to him :p

    ---------- Post added at 20:24 ---------- Previous post was at 20:20 ----------

    but maybe he was going for using exciters? (a form of distortion)
     
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    Might be an obvious one (or just wrong, bear with me I'm new to all this) but how about Stereoizers? Heaps of VST plugins available.

    Used them on guitary music to good effect.