Having things sound fat while they are mono

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  1. IV4

    IV4 DnBF Sheriff VIP Junglist

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    ??? Anybody found any decent articles on this?
     
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    what type of info are you looking for exactly? my sub is always in mono and sound effing thick as a ho's booty yo :teeth:

    meaning I may be able to sort you out if you can be a little more specific as to what you are trying to accomplish...
     
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    I think stuff is always sounding 'fatter' when you put them in Mono?
     
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    especially the sub bass due to the fact that if it's in stereo it won't replicate correct on 99.9% of sound systems
     
  5. IV4

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    I am talking about mostly higher frequencies. I have noticed that a lot of professional music seems to sound like it has a ton of stereo width. But when I look at it in my daw with a stereo imager there really is not that much.
     
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    I dunno, I don't really experiment with stereo imaging, stuff I want wide I just put wide from step 1. After that I don't really check if it would sound better mono.
    That being said, a little disclaimer, I do play around with panning, Just to clarify.

    Not sure if this is any help for your problem though
     
  7. miszt

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    the trick is to put the right things in stereo to create the impression of width, but things like your kick/snare, lead and vocals, are all straight down the middle

    what you want is to add a little bit of (for eg) vocal reverb on the edges, a little bit of percussion top end on the edges, and FX etc in full stereo

    bare in mind that Contrast plays an important role when it comes to your perception of a sound, if you have lots of stuff going on in stereo, you don't get as much impact as if you have lots of stuff in mono and just a few key elements in stereo
     
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    if you wanna thicken up anything you could fuck about with a tube amp plugin or tape emulator plugin, sausage fattner, etc.
     
  9. Dark Lizardro

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    Try putting the higher frequencies of your bass with more stereo image than the lower ones, for example, when you separate your basses in three different bands for processing. Same applies to snare, you could give it's higher frequencies come stereo imaging as well.

    Pads should always be stereo, imo.
     
  10. lovesbody

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    word up to Dark Lizardo, tots agree. stereo width is really about giving the illusion of space. percussion, particularly the kick n snare, tend to sound best dead center, with the more harmonic/melodic elements of a track (e.g the synth pads, or guitar or w/e) sounding 'best' with wider imaging. like, panned pretty far out. Chorus effect is a good way to do stereo imaging. or if you work in logic there is a tight plug-in for stereo imaging
     
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    oZone imager is quite good for it too. Set the frequency splits and decide how wide or central you want each band.
     
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    @Serum would be the guy to answer this!

    My mate got the Hyroglifics pack the other day and almost all the drums are mono with a very small bit of stereo information for the higher freqs if i remember rightly.
     
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    I think its best to learn good panning, before playing around with stereo imagers myself, they can be very useful, but until you get a good grasp of the stereo soundscape, you can just as easily mangle the mix


    if you program your own drums, simply pushing hihats, rides, tambs, etc off by ~5% in each direction left/right, while your kick and snare are in the middle, can really bring allot of life to drums - and then have the occasional hit further out, ~20% or so, strategically placed in the phrase, can open the mix up beautifully
     
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    A lot of what I'd say has already been said really.

    I use more stereo than I used to but a lot of my early stuff was solely in mono and it still sounded fine, that was just the vibe I was making at the time. Jungle or anything that's quite rugged in production will still sound good in mono.

    About the only things that haven't been mentioned are using reverb with a wide setting or using ping pong delay. That can work well to fill out space.
     
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    Having strong mono signal is the key to strong mixes. Your sound and its key elements must sound strong in mono.
    I do most of my mixing in mono in such way that i insert a "monoizer" plugin on my master (and often tracks, too), then make sure all vital elements (drums, bass, pads etc) can be heard as loud as i want. Then I make it stereo again and apply width as desired.
     
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