General Tips and Tricks Thread

Discussion in 'Production' started by Phat_Sam, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. Phat_Sam

    Phat_Sam Well-Known Member

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    OK. Kinda off the back of the thread I started about posting tracks before they're finished, I decided to make this thread. I realized that a lot of things come from experience. Use this thread to share experiences to help others. If you've learned something the hard way, post it here to stop others from doing the same. This is a thread for ANYTHING related to production, creativity, ideas, tips, tricks, techniques etc. from basslines to beats, workflow to time signatures, a list of amen breaks or a quirky way of using synths. Tips for anything can be put in this thread. Even if it's just a random idea you've come up with in the last few minutes, post it here. I have a few ideas but I'll have to post a load later when I'm at my computer instead of my work one.

    I suppose I can clear this one up while I'm here though:

    You can NOT polish a turd.
     
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    You can't polish a turd tho.

    Word.

    You are welcome.
     
  3. RevTech

    RevTech Butthole=output transduce

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    Exporting each channel for resampling always helps me out a lot, especially on drums and the bassline. To make a bubbling effect on the organ play on the 2 3 and 4. To make metric modulation, have two pulses going at different tempos. Use major and minor chords, balance it out, 9/8 time signiture is interesting.

    Just random bits I wanted to write down
     
  4. Phat_Sam

    Phat_Sam Well-Known Member

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    There ya go revtech! That's what I mean.

    I gotta whole word document of shit at home imma post up tomorrow.
     
  5. kama

    kama benkama.net

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    If something doesnt sound right, try it through some other FX chain, like drum buss through your bass channels.
     
  6. logikz

    logikz I Am Not The King Staff Member

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    a good lowpass filter, get the coolest one you possibly can, it is a very important tool for creation. i been messing with the elysia one which isnt exactly a lowpass, seems more like a notch(?) but its really cool
     
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    some shiz from the top of my head...

    - take breaks from your music...your ears need a rest!

    - whilst messing around creating sounds, if u like a sound - save it! you could always come back and develop that sound later

    - dont crave creativity, it's natural and you'll know when ur feeling creative.....or smoke a spliff

    - sidechaining is good imo but in moderation...i think if ur gonna have a bass synth thats sidechained, slightly sc the sub bass a lil bit to give it some movement.

    - if u have an acapella, and want to match the bpm 2 your track...sometimes its better to go half of your track
    i.e. ur track is 175bpm...acapella is 100bpm, drop down the bpm of the acapella to 87.5bpm and it will be in time.

    - dont let ur master clip!

    - organise your samples, it makes work more efficient...have a kicks, snare, percussion folder etc

    - some easy variation tips:
    * cut the drums for 1/2 a bar at the beginning/end of a loop
    * cut everything but the drums/percussion for 1/2 a bar
    * cut everything apart from the kick (n maybe a cymbal)
    * drum fills, extra kicks, hi hats..etc

    - the plugin order makes a difference!

    :D
     
  8. mini_molko

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    While you're on the subject of lowpass filters, I've got a question... Can you achieve the same effect as a frequency filter by just using an EQ to cut out certain fequencies... I know it sounds like a simple question, but I tend not to use lowpass or highpass filters that much in my tunes, instead I just use the EQ and I was just wondering if there was any advantage to using a dedicated frequency filter over an EQ, as the only difference I can see is the resonance feature...

    May as well add a tip - For ages I was wondering how to make a single held note rise (Or lower) in pitch for those pre-drop build ups and I finally figured out - it's as simple as adding an envelope with a slow rising attack to your oscillator's pitch. Pretty simple, but took me ages to find out.
    Also, LFO's and envelopes are most definitely your friends when it comes to producing, I never truley realised the power behind these tools until recently. They definitely help to give your sounds texture, so try adding them to filter cutoffs, or whatever you can think of, experimenting is the key!
    And if anyone's using NI's Massive, take advantage of the performer function - such a wicked little tool!
     
  9. subprime

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    This, and after getting a good fx chain that really brings something to life, save it, or at least save as user presets all the individual fx. Tone is as important as the basic waveform creation/shaping that you do in the synth imho and tiny changes in the fx can make a difference.
     
  10. miszt

    miszt BASSFACE Royale

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    you can roll it in glitter tho












    far to early for a useful post
     
  11. logikz

    logikz I Am Not The King Staff Member

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    you certainly can, its the same thing basically, just automate bandwidth (res) and freq, they are usually more transparent than the filter plugs too. for LP and HP i mean,
    i wouldnt know how to acheive BP or BR or BS with an EQ. having said that though, it is the same thing, at the same time, it isnt cos certain filters have a 'sound' to them
    which i suppose is a saturation algorithm in there and lots of other stuff to make the sound change in a different way compared to a shelf on an eq. morgana has an awesome lp on it.
     
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    You can, I saw it on Mythbusters.
     
  13. logikz

    logikz I Am Not The King Staff Member

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    has mythbusters been busted yet? like bear gryllz and them?
     
  14. richie_stix

    richie_stix gomby plz

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    fraid you can buddy (y)



    but seriously, these threads are wack! who is going to read through loads of random posts to find what they want? nice idea in principle, not really a great idea in reality
     
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    Phat_Sam Well-Known Member

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    its not for people to search through to find specific into. any one of the post already posted can give people ideas and inspiration. someone just starting out can read through just a few and pick up a few little tricks straight off the bat. Its not about answering questions in this thread. its just about airing opinions on technique and such.


    mmmmmmkay?
     
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  16. richie_stix

    richie_stix gomby plz

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    fair enough, i appreciate that... but i have seen many threads come and go like this.... they just dont work in my experience and opinion (y)
     
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    Phat_Sam Well-Known Member

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    Fair play. I don't expect this to go anywhere. Just that if it does it does. If it doesn't then fuck it. lalz
     
  18. richie_stix

    richie_stix gomby plz

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    seen jelly been! well, instead of being a negative nancy i'll add something...

    I have found there is no 'right way' to do things, (in my experience, mainly with drums) it varies from application to application! Sometimes i send them all to a compressor, sometimes i compress individually and send all, sometimes i send all minus snares... sometimes i have the final drum track sent to two compressors, one set to destroy and with the emphasis on removing transients and the other set to punchy... this way you get phantness and punchyness all in one!
     
  19. Phat_Sam

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    Ok here's my two cents:

    Major scales in every key:

    C = C - D - E - F - G - A - B - C
    D = D - E - F# - G - A - B - C# - D
    E = E - F# - G# - A - B - C# - D# - E
    F = F - G - A - Bb - C - D - E - F
    G = G - A - B - C - D - E - F# - G
    A = A - B - C# - D - E - F# - G# - A
    B = B - C# - D# - E - F# - G# - A# - B
    C# = C# - D# - E# (=F) - F# - G# - A# - B# (=C) - C#
    Db = Db - Eb - F - Gb - Ab - Bb - C - Db
    Eb = Eb - F - G - Ab - Bb - C - D -Eb
    F# = F#= F# - G# - A# - B - C# - D# - E# (=F) - F#
    Gb = Gb - Ab - Bb - Cb (=B) - Db - Eb - F - Gb
    Ab = Ab - Bb - C - Db - Eb - F - G - Ab
    Bb = Bb - C - D - Eb - F - G - A - Bb

    Minor scales in every key:

    C = C - D - Eb - F - G - Ab - Bb - C
    D = D - E - F - G - A - Bb - C - D
    E = E - F# - G - A - B - C - D - E
    F = F - G - Ab - Bb - C - Db - Eb - F
    G = G - A - Bb - C - D - Eb - F - G
    A = A - B - C - D - E - F - G - A
    B = B - C# - D - E - F# - G - A - B
    C# = C# - D# - E - F# - G# - A - B - C#
    Eb = Eb - F - Gb - Ab - Bb - Cb - Db - Eb
    F# = F# - G# - A - B - C# - D - E - F#
    G# = G# - A# - B - C# - D# - E - F# - G#
    Bb = Bb - C - Db - Eb - F - Gb - Ab - Bb

    I think the problem that most people have when starting to write music is that people get very hung up on the process of production as opposed to techniques used in production.

    I think the main thing that people need to realise is that making a track doesn't have to done by following a recipe. If you learn individual techniques and problem solving skills then your tracks will benefit far more than learning JUST the ins and outs of single sub genre d&b. Get to know your workflow, your DAW, your samples, your speakers etc. This takes time but once you've done it, everything becomes easier.

    Learn about EVERY tool you have. Learn exactly what everything does in the latest synth you've bought. Learn how to side chain and compress things. Learn everything you can about everything you can think of. You may not use it all and the likely hood of you using it all is small BUT knowledge is power and the more you learn the greater your problem solving skills will be.

    Learn about other genres. Learn how house producers eq their kicks. How hip hop producers sample from soul records. Learn how to record a guitar. Learn to PLAY a guitar. Use everything you can in your music. Inspiration is drawn from learning and in turn, learning can be drawn from inspiration.

    Use your ears! They will tell you if it's sounding right. Like a good cook won't totally follow a recipe, they'll follow their taste buds instead of measureing exact amounts.

    OK, I suppose my bottom line is:
    Don't think of making music as a 1, 2, 3/a, b, c, process because it's not. There is no way you can become a good producer by following procedure. Break the mould, think outside the box. Whatever wanky expression you wanna use, use it!

    Aaaaaanyway. Hope some of that helps. Sorry if there are spelling mistakes... cba to spell check. lollll

    Keep rockin!
    :gslayer:
     
  20. djdevz

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    michael jackson told me it was as easy as a, b, c/1, 2, 3 o_O