'Full' hi-hats

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  1. jakeshiftzw

    jakeshiftzw Shiftz

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    Right i've had a problem with hi-hats for ages. I've come on here time and time again and the advice has always been very helpful! I don't have any problem getting my hi-hats placed in the sonic space in terms of panning, sample delay etc, or eq-ing, i normally hi-pass between 600-1000hz and then boost at around 7000hz - 9000hz. I use envelopes to slow the attack a bit just to make them a bit less tinny and i use overdrive and distortion to make them a bit more sharp and i occasionally layer them with some subtle compression. But when i listen to professional tracks, the hats sound a lot more 'full' mine still sound really 'thin'. It's like they have more low end, but i've put them through a spectrum analyzer and there hitting the same frequencys as mine (roughly). What other techniques can you use? Is pitching your hats down a good technique? Or anything else?
     
  2. Kothy

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    Put a spectrum on it and EQ it from there, do cuts in freqs, cut off all the lows, boost a bit in the highs, and compression, sidechaining them, do anything, be creattive.. but one thing it takes to have good hats, is the sample itself.
     
  3. IV4

    IV4 Currently a newt.

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    High pass a break or two and put them low in the mix. This might help give your high hats more dynamics.
     
  4. gingerDoe

    gingerDoe I've been naughty, I'm banned

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    give me example of your production and production you want your hats to sound like

    many pro tune in my opinion definately dont have full closed hat but it sounds great while other let these muddy lower freqencies in them so its very natural sounding


    like for example,this is extremly hi passed and processed
     
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  5. mr meh

    mr meh Well-Known Member

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    try layering with another hihat.
     
  6. jakeshiftzw

    jakeshiftzw Shiftz

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    I haven't got anything finished atm man, just something im working on. The hats just dont seem to fill out the tune anything, and just feel really 'Thin' and 'Tinny'

    But these kind of hats are the thing im looking for

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJPl23lfx_k&feature=related
     
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  7. gingerDoe

    gingerDoe I've been naughty, I'm banned

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    thats easy,its about 90ms long,hi pass at 2500hz with 48db per octave filter,mono,no reverb and use some acustic hats none of that procesed FX crap from vengeance.... also that hat isnt very dynamic,I mean the natural ones have super sharp attack this one doesnt have it,also mix it like 6-9db quieter than kick

    this way you should get same hi hat
     
  8. jakeshiftzw

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    Ok, cheers for the advice guys! Where can i get some good hi-hat samples from? I've also heard people on Cubase use Waveshaper to get that Clarity and fullness, i have Logic so would that be the same as Overdrive/Distortion?
     
  9. Nydus

    Nydus All in the sig.

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    Hi Jake,

    Dynamics play huge role in how 'big' your Hat (or any other drum sound) is. Engineering your Hat is important, but the Hat should be of good quality prior to any kind of processing.

    Distorting your Hats will not increase their 'clarity'. In fact the accentuation of harmonics in the treble area can be quite displeasing. I do understand what you mean by 'fullness', though. If you are going to distort your Hats; subtle low shelf EQing may help to retain the 'clarity' whilst preserving the 'fullness'.

    I would also like to add that I think Logic's Overdrive plug-in is pretty good for this particular application.
     
  10. lostnthesound

    lostnthesound Burns Easily in the Sun

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    Add a touch of sample delay, you'll find the hats have gained fullness as well as bit of stereo depth without getting lost in the mix.

    That tip is courtesy of Mr. Fletch, and I've used it countless times over with amazing results.

    Cheers.
     
  11. equilibrium

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    I feel like having them at the right volume level is what people do i don't think it is that they are hitting at lower frequencies. Getting a fatter drum sound by using a compressor on the drum bus and mastering all your tracks with some more weight will definitely solve it...
     
  12. Elzerk

    Elzerk 00111100 00110011

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    I have found layering them together + sidechaining with shuffles to give excellent results.
     
  13. maggots

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    i vote distorting them
     
  14. EvezDroppin

    EvezDroppin how to change name,......

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    this all day long, only done it a couple of times... delay is very slight and almost unaudible but makes a lot of difference!
     
  15. dbjungle

    dbjungle DJ Syklone

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    I don't really want to be a nay sayer or anything, but DJ Hazard's percussion production is on a totally different level from most DNB producers. I would put him in the top 5%. I'd imagine this isn't something that you just do, probably takes years of development. His hats really have a lot going on without clashing with each other in a negative way. I definitely think posting anything you've done would be helpful for some of the more gifted producers here to give some feedback on and lead you in the right direction.
     
  16. AnthonyDNB

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    I layer up hi hats MAKE sure they are in the same frequency range and you might have to reverse polarity on one of the hi hats. Add some EQ I suggest A high pass filter and some compression and their you have it. Hope this helped.