everlasting dubplates

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  1. vinylcarvers

    vinylcarvers New Member

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    .. is what we do - well at least you can play them as often as normal vinyls without loss of quality. excellent sound, scratching possible
    one track per record
    we're based in london
    we can use audio cd, data cd (.wav) and high quality mp3 as well
    £50 incl vat, £35 for a second copy

    thx, hope u like
     
  2. Bad Ace

    Bad Ace Close2Death

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    hey man,i am definatly interested in this mate,fing is i dont get the chance to go over to london,do u do mail order????cheerz bud:thumbsup:
     
  3. vinylcarvers

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    hi bud,
    no problem
    u can send us a cd (audio or .wav)
    we do cuts from hi-quality mp3 as well (128kb)
    cheers, vinylcarvers
     
  4. Serum

    Serum Well-Known Member

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    Wow how does this work?
     
  5. vinylcarvers

    vinylcarvers New Member

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    it's the same process like cutting an acetate (dubplate) but we're using a harder material
    for us quality is the most important thing - hence we do 12" only as they sound better (higher speed at the outer circle)
    and it's one track only
    it's an expensive craft, not like burning a cd
    we have to replace the cutting head every 10-20 hours
    to get the best quality we have to push things to the limits, this holds high risks of wasting some blanks or even killing a needle
    ..and we killed a lot!

    cheers, vinylcarvers
     
  6. pendulum

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    128kbps is hardly a high quality mp3....and you say one track per record? dont you mean one track per side?

    anyway, how about some contact information or an address or something? no offense but your posts sound a big dodgy.

    more info needed :)
     
  7. phono

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    my thoughts exactly
     
  8. Affliction

    Affliction thought size didnt matter

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    i have to agree with those two, something not adding up here...

    about 45 sounding better.... not strictly true... vinyl cut at 45 wil make the high freq's crisper, while vinyl cut at 33 will have more defined bass :slayer:
     
  9. Goldenchild

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    2 questions for ya


    1. Contact Info?

    2. One track per record or One track per side?
     
  10. vinylcarvers

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    we did a lot of cuts from 128kb mp3 to everybody's satisfaction
    let's take this as the minimum rate..

    AFFLICTION - agree with 33/45 discussion
    we use 33 for our own stuff only
    but every record sounds better at the outside than the inside
    hence they used 45 for 7"
    try any 12" (33 or 45) and listen
    did lots of experiments on this, even tried to cut close to the hole as our machine allows this - quality sucks!

    and there's more space on a 12" as well
    the longer the track - the narrower the grooves have to be
    this means: a 7min track sounds excellent, a 14min is a real compromise in terms of bass and volume
    a lot of bass + high level + a lot of stereo means wider grooves - means less time available


    PHONO - we do one sided records only cause the risk of ruining the second side during the cutting process is too high (can't sell the whole record then)
    however the risk would be low if we reduce the level/bass/stereofield of the recording - which we don't do!

    i think everybody who got a vinyl back from the pressing plant experienced that the quality depends very much on the mastering/cutting engineer
    he has no possibility of listening to his cut before it goes to the pressing plant as this play will already harm the surface
    that's the reason why good engineers are hard to find: they don't wan't to take the risk of grooves touching each other cause the needle will skip then
    but we listen while we cut and do all adjustments on scratch blanks before we cut

    we can understand your doubts
    we experienced a lot of frustration during learning this process

    have a look at our website (which is still a draft..) for our contact number
    we're in highgate, north london

    cheers, vinylcarvers
     
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    check www.vinylcarvers.com for contact info

    we do one sided records with one track only cause the risk of ruining the second side during the cutting process is too high (can't sell the whole record then)
     
  12. jay walker

    jay walker 1/2 of Passive/Aggressive

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    Sounds Straight up to me - Ay Captain, Dubs Ahoy!
     
  13. sdm

    sdm This is Dog Fort

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    i have merged the thread in production with this one.

    no point having two separate discussions of the same thing :)
     
  14. daze

    daze pocket of resistance

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    dubs are soooooooo 1990's!!!


    i'll stick with me cd's ta very much.




    £50!!!!!!!!!! my cd-j was only £250!!
     
  15. phono

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    i dont know, why haven't we heard of this "hardcut" before. Your web page looks like it was made in 5 mins, sorry if i sound sceptical.
     
  16. Charge

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    Dub cutting is a well expensive business, i know the guy in bosham that does it plus you need an engineer who really knows what hes doing. Seems strange if you have enough money to start this sorta business that you havent spent more on the website-s'all bout the presentation!
     
  17. Charge

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    and how come your price are £5 cheaper on the website???? is it not a standard rate for everyone, or do dnbforum members have to pay more?
     
  18. vinylcarvers

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    PHONO / ELEMENT - you're right, webpage took 3mins to build
    that's the reason for the different prices as well, its excl. vat on the webpage and incl vat in the forum
    didn't have time to it properly (will follow in the next few weeks)
    sorry for that

    we've started our business right now (yesterday)
    and it's a brandnew technology, so you're one of the first ones to hear

    we're working with a prototype machine and just spent 6 months day+night, learning how to produce proper quality
    just did cuts for friends and ourselves till now, so this is the next stage

    ELEMENT - we've spent a lot of money on crap vinyl due to weak engineers
    I'm an ssl engineer myself and couldn't cope with such a bottleneck in the last stage of production
    this is why we started all this - now we hope it'll pay off
    but even at the current price it'll take years we guess :)
     
  19. jay walker

    jay walker 1/2 of Passive/Aggressive

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    Good luck to you vinylcarvers - ill put any tracks i need your way an push anyone i know, you got my support!
     
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