I only use Abletons synths now, they are PHAT, you can easily create a Massive style instrument if you understand grouping and routing properly (Stack up a few Operators/Analogs and FX), theres no need for VST's anymore, even Massive.....and its way more powerful, imagine having 8 sidechained Filters across 8 diffrent OSC's, YUUUMMMMMM sex wee etc