A total noob question, is massive included in the standard cubase 5 package or is it extra. I was reading a thread on this forum from another user who asked how to load it: Devices--> VST intsruments --> massive but I just have: halion 1 groove agent 1 & synth (which includes the following subprograms) Embracer Loop mash Monologue Mystic Prologue Spector also what is scream 4? I was watching a really cool how to video made by subfocus and they seemed to use these to applications a lot. If both these are extra $, what is a poor man's replacement? I'm new to the game, I've been playing drums all my life and just started to get started on mixing electronic music, i'm hooked. thanks for the info.