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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by lostnthesound View Post
    Do not aim for 0dB. The goal is to allow for anywhere between -6dB and -12dB (depending upon the specs per mastering house). The reason for this is that the hardware used for mastering (as well as higher end mastering plugins that emulate hardware like waves & ozone) are expecting a signal with a good amount of headroom so it can work it's magic. If you send a track that is already hot, the end product will suffer a great deal because you're already well above the signal the hardware is expecting to get. For example, try adding a mastering plugin (like Logic's AdLimiter) or an instance of Ozone on your master out with your peak signal around 0 before applying the mastering plugs. Then, do the same with your peak signal around -6 – -9 dB. You'll immediately notice the difference in sound.

    Personally, I use KMeter, it was developed by Mastering God Bob Katz and will help aid your mixes in finding the "sweet spot" of headroom for premastering. For $50, it's the best metering tool around IMO.
    So my track should be about -6db when completed? And then you would just master it in order to get some volume? Does mastering include eq? Or is the eq'ing all done in the -6db range before mastering.

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by wilson89 View Post
    So my track should be about -6db when completed? And then you would just master it in order to get some volume? Does mastering include eq? Or is the eq'ing all done in the -6db range before mastering.
    Again, it depends on the mastering house that will be mastering your tune and what amount of headroom they prefer. I personally always aim between -6 and -9 and will adjust accordingly after contacting the mastering engineers, even if it means simply dialing down the master output fader by a decibel or two.

    Mastering does a little bit of everything to your track: limits the volume, exploits the track's dynamic range, adds sheen, etc. This is all done by strategic eqing, limiting/compression, and perhaps even some saturation to add a bit of edge and warmth. The key is how those tools are used. Because how quickly a tracks can sound like shit from improper mastering, it's best to let a pro handle it. Not too mention, a fresh set of ears on your tune can really aid in creating a great end result.

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Where are you clipping? is it on a specific channel or is it on the master channel? if it is just on your master channel i would suggest just turning down the master channel. I think that if you turn down the master channel or turn down all your channels by the same amount it would stop your track from clipping, as i assume that the sounds that you getting are the ones that you are looking for. I used to place a limiter on the master bus to protect from clipping the master channel. this left my mixes sounding pretty average at best.

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    bus drums, turn down drum bus channel and everything accordingly, get this http://www.slatedigital.com/products/fgx/

    Quote Originally Posted by Propie View Post
    Where are you clipping? is it on a specific channel or is it on the master channel? if it is just on your master channel i would suggest just turning down the master channel. I think that if you turn down the master channel or turn down all your channels by the same amount it would stop your track from clipping, as i assume that the sounds that you getting are the ones that you are looking for. I used to place a limiter on the master bus to protect from clipping the master channel. this left my mixes sounding pretty average at best.
    don't turn down your master. also, using a limiter on your master ruins your dynamics unless you have a lot of experience

    EDIT: You should really also get this http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/...intagewarmer2/ and put it on the drum bus.
    Last edited by equilibrium; 11-07-2012 at 06:01.

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Why would do you not suggest turning down the master?

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    If your using logic a quick tip a mate showed me is in the Preferences change the metering from Exponential to Sectional Db linear. This changes how tracks analyse the loudness and will make each track louder so you can afford to have each track at a lower Db and avoid clipping.

    Hope that makes sense and helps if you use logic.

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Propie View Post
    Why would do you not suggest turning down the master?
    3 reasons

    1. turning down the master makes you lose the fullness and weight of your sound
    2. its proper to learn how to mix so that you don't have to turn down the master, which is what headroom is
    3. turning down the master lowers the volume level of your track and that can't compete with contemporary music

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prideinyouride View Post
    If your using logic a quick tip a mate showed me is in the Preferences change the metering from Exponential to Sectional Db linear. This changes how tracks analyse the loudness and will make each track louder so you can afford to have each track at a lower Db and avoid clipping.

    Hope that makes sense and helps if you use logic.
    /\ This.

    The Section dB is crucial. I just started using it as a part of my workflow and it prevents me from wanting to keep turning elements up.

    Cheers.

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by equilibrium View Post
    3 reasons

    1. turning down the master makes you lose the fullness and weight of your sound
    2. its proper to learn how to mix so that you don't have to turn down the master, which is what headroom is
    3. turning down the master lowers the volume level of your track and that can't compete with contemporary music
    Thanks for that. I Will keep this in mind when mixing aye

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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by equilibrium View Post
    3 reasons

    1. turning down the master makes you lose the fullness and weight of your sound
    2. its proper to learn how to mix so that you don't have to turn down the master, which is what headroom is
    3. turning down the master lowers the volume level of your track and that can't compete with contemporary music
    This isn't actually correct, it just makes it quieter.
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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    Quote Originally Posted by wilson89 View Post
    Ok so I'm fairly new to producing in terms of understanding how all the stuff actually works but there's one thing that bugs me, I'll be mixing a song for a while, it's going well, then when I listen back there's just on little point where the audio clips.

    Now I'll try to lower something but then it dissapears in the mix, so I have to spend ages trying to get rid of this clip. Is there any plugin that can just detect this clip and help me out with it? I tried a limiter but that just squashes the entire track, i tried a maximer but again that squashes the track and makes my verses so loud that the chorus doesn't have any impact.
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    Re: How to deal will clipping?

    for instance, psp vintage shouldnt be on the master channel? i usually stick it on and i think its got some form of limiting along with it?


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