How do you mix without reference points.

[D-Jhepz]

thats wat i do anyway but i was wondering if there is an easy/better way.. like when wanting to mix the 2nd drop of one to the 1st of another i gotta fast forward and get to the point/find the drum in about 16 bars and its hecty

[Dubsta]

Theres no science to it mate......as said get to know the tunes......personally the type of tracks your talking about i leave alone unless its a really good tune in which case i'd only use it for my intro track or to play from the top. Of course i wouldnt take a chance whilst playing out with tracks like them.....Radio yes, but whilst live best move on to something less risky.....unless your confident enough to drop it.

[PhorceOfHabit]

Murderation has some, like reeverbed echo-ish drums, but after a while they fade away, just the pads remain. I find it difficult imo :p

It's just practice mate. Eventually you'll get to a point when you can have it locked before those drums fade away. Even once they do in the breakdown you can use those atmos effects and stuff to keep it in. Get the tune locked with another one time (as in make sure it's fully locked during the first verse) then during the breakdown just listen and see how those atmos effect relate to the bars of the other tunes and work it out like that. Later on it will come as second nature.

Snapcase is a fairly hard breakdown but not impossible. Turn your headphones up, you can use not the actual pads but the predator kind of sounds behind them. Also if it's really proving too hard, use a tune with a long intro and have it already locked by the time snapcase breaks down then you can double drop them.

[Sc0tty]

99% of the time it may seem like there is nothing to use to get the tunes matched however, if you mix the track from the drop, get it beat matched perfectly then re-cue the track and try and mix from the intro, you may notice subtle changes to help you mix it from the intro next time.

It's also good to know the ruff bpm of the tune to help get the pitch fader in the rough possition before you begin to mix

[Teddy]

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[sam the dnb man]

Some pad sounds are mixable. It usually depends on the attack time of the pads though.

Try cue'ing Be True at the 16 before the drop and beat matching that.
Or Tombraider.