A-Sides rants over unreleased tunes uploads on youtube

[Saint]

Putting unfinished stuff into the public realm IS definately a problem. However sending a beat to someone and next things its been played on radio still happens quite a lot.

Its still arguably not a problem if people dont capitalise on it and put it on youtube (which is what his original complaint was about).

[Dagz]

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It does my head in when these artists moan about this. If you are so bothered about it DONT FUCKING PUT A SNIPPET ON SOUNDCLOUD ! of course some idiot is going to post it on youtube but you must be an idiot to post a snippet on soundcloud and expect no one to share it. The thing is i bet its one of this a-sides fans who has uploaded it to youtube yet now that fan has been called a twat serveral times for loving this a-sides stuff and trying to promote it thats the way i see it.

[Moskit]

The whole uplaoding a clip of a fresh tune to youtube is a genuine confusion to me...

It must only be when you make music that you can wholeheartedly comment on it, because you own that thing, it yours, you made it...

But, its a double edged sword surely?

It could make said tune blow up beyond belief, or get the underground recognition that you were seeking, or any other goal you were wishing to achieve?

Or...

It could go down the route of the constantly used theory of over-playing/over exposure kills the tune before its even had a chance etc etc...

But for me as a consumer & a friend of people that are "in the game" right now, surely the main point that dictates the difference between the above scenarios, is the quality of the music?

As in, the music will do the talking regardless of where it's heard?

[Dagz]

The whole uplaoding a clip of a fresh tune to youtube is a genuine confusion to me...

It must only be when you make music that you can wholeheartedly comment on it, because you own that thing, it yours, you made it...

But, its a double edged sword surely?

It could make said tune blow up beyond belief, or get the underground recognition that you were seeking, or any other goal you were wishing to achieve?

Or...

It could go down the route of the constantly used theory of over-playing/over exposure kills the tune before its even had a chance...

But for me as a consumer & a friend of people that are "in the game" right now, surely the main point that dictates the difference between the above scenarios is the quality of the music?

As in, the music will do the talking regardless of where it's heard?

Exactly

[Attire]

Post has been deleted now?

I don't really know where I stand on this one. I think if it's something that you want to keep firmly under wraps, you don't send it to anyone, upload it anywhere, full stop. But other than that, if it's being uploaded to Youtube then its just free publicity.. no?

[Saint]

It does my head in when these artists moan about this. If you are so bothered about it DONT FUCKING PUT A SNIPPET ON SOUNDCLOUD ! of course some idiot is going to post it on youtube but you must be an idiot to post a snippet on soundcloud and expect no one to share it. The thing is i bet its one of this a-sides fans who has uploaded it to youtube yet now that fan has been called a twat serveral times for loving this a-sides stuff and trying to promote it thats the way i see it.

It does my head in when fans complain about what artists believe in.

Arguably only because there are a load of idiots.

The whole uplaoding a clip of a fresh tune to youtube is a genuine confusion to me...

It must only be when you make music that you can wholeheartedly comment on it, because you own that thing, it yours, you made it...

But, its a double edged sword surely?

It could make said tune blow up beyond belief, or get the underground recognition that you were seeking, or any other goal you were wishing to achieve?

Or...

It could go down the route of the constantly used theory of over-playing/over exposure kills the tune before its even had a chance etc etc...

But for me as a consumer & a friend of people that are "in the game" right now, surely the main point that dictates the difference between the above scenarios, is the quality of the music?

As in, the music will do the talking regardless of where it's heard?

Unfinished music, stuff that hasn't found a label, a project thats in the pipeline etc etc are all exceptions. Yes if its a shit tune or an amazing tune you could say it doesnt matter as its obvious whether its going to last.

I think really the problem is that IT IS THE ARTISTS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS. Whether people agree or disagree is largely irrelevant, there are still people going against what the artists want when they claim to be a fan.

I dont really see the argument for why it is a consumers right to be able to do whatever they want with something they have no ownership of.

[Moskit]

Na man, I could'nt agree more...

I'm not arguing, i'm just trying to play Devils Advocate as it were to get a little perspective

As I said in that post, its that artists property, simple as.

But if you're putting it out in any form whatsoever on a public platform, you can't be naieve enough to expect Joe Bloggs to have any sort of respect for its origins/availability etc etc... Its to be expected these days isn't it?

I don't agree with that sentiment for the record, or support it any way, but its an unfortunate & sad truth I reckon?

[Papa Jaro]

He's not being naive though is he Moskit? He knows it happens he's just venting off at the fact that these kids take the piss and he's quite right. Ripping unreleased stuff and sticking it on your channel is selfish fuckery. It's not their creation, they aren't in charge of it and given that there's usually money involved they have no right to get involved whatsoever. Lol at people who obviously feel it's an automatic right. I bet if they could most of them wouldn't say no to putting full length 320's on there ready for ripping. Slightly off tangent but I feel sick whenever I see newly released tunes being pirated on a website. People who download them instead of paying a quid are no better than tramps and personally I would taken away all their private property until they can show that they understand the concept of ownership and why stealing is wrong.

[neddez]

I think really the problem is that IT IS THE ARTISTS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS. Whether people agree or disagree is largely irrelevant, there are still people going against what the artists want when they claim to be a fan.

I dont really see the argument for why it is a consumers right to be able to do whatever they want with something they have no ownership of.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but then by your logic we should take every tune containing an uncleared sample and destroy it.

[Papa Jaro]

That's not in the same league though is it. Unless it's a very lazy mash up.

[HustleAudio]

to be honest if it happens with a clip then thats all good in my eyes, extra FREE promotion.... Just dont put full tracks up anywhere init

[Saint]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but then by your logic we should take every tune containing an uncleared sample and destroy it.

I dont think if you follow my logic you come anywhere near that conclusion. And i dont have a problem with sampling. I dont really see how you got to that conclusion?

Na man, I could'nt agree more...

I'm not arguing, i'm just trying to play Devils Advocate as it were to get a little perspective

As I said in that post, its that artists property, simple as.

But if you're putting it out in any form whatsoever on a public platform, you can't be naieve enough to expect Joe Bloggs to have any sort of respect for its origins/availability etc etc... Its to be expected these days isn't it?

I don't agree with that sentiment for the record, or support it any way, but its an unfortunate & sad truth I reckon?

Yeah fair enough really. I think the problem, and my point, is that the problem isnt with the artists at all, its Joe Bloggs who has no respect as you say. In some senses thats fine really, as a lot of people have no reason to show them respect. In my eyes the real problem is so called fans, people who frequent forums, people who dj / produce or are any way involved in the scene doing it - people who SHOULD have some respect.


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The other problem with youtube is a massive quantity of people never buy, download, pirate or whatever else their music, they just stream it.

[Dagz]

It does my head in when fans complain about what artists believe in.

Arguably only because there are a load of idiots.



Unfinished music, stuff that hasn't found a label, a project thats in the pipeline etc etc are all exceptions. Yes if its a shit tune or an amazing tune you could say it doesnt matter as its obvious whether its going to last.

I think really the problem is that IT IS THE ARTISTS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS. Whether people agree or disagree is largely irrelevant, there are still people going against what the artists want when they claim to be a fan.

I dont really see the argument for why it is a consumers right to be able to do whatever they want with something they have no ownership of.

Its fairly simple to understand if you dont want it leeked dont post it on the net. Im not saying its right what they are doing because i couldnt agree more with "IT IS THE ARTISTS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS" im just saying they should no by now if they are going to post clips on the net its going to get passed around by joe bloggs.

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Calling people dick heads, Twats and putting comments like "If i catch u messing with my fresh stuff i'll get u shut u down!" looks very unprofessional in my eyes and doesnt make him look cool. In his deffence i would be pissed off about it but then again i wouldnt put out a sample untill it was signed and ready for release, Dont most artists do that now adays?

[Saint]

Its fairly simple to understand if you dont want it leeked dont post it on the net. Im not saying its right what they are doing because i couldnt agree more with "IT IS THE ARTISTS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS" im just saying they should no by now if they are going to post clips on the net its going to get passed around by joe bloggs.

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Calling people dick heads, Twats and putting comments like "If i catch u messing with my fresh stuff i'll get u shut u down!" looks very unprofessional in my eyes and doesnt make him look cool. In his deffence i would be pissed off about it but then again i wouldnt put out a sample untill it was signed and ready for release, Dont most artists do that now adays?

As i said before; live sets get recorded, radio shows get done, things happen without the artist putting up a clip directly on soundcloud.

And again, my point isn't that i dont understand - its that people should stop fucking over artists. Just because someone CAN take something and put it on youtube in no way means they SHOULD. I dont really understand what everyone is getting pissed at him about, when pulled up everyone seems to agree that it isnt the right thing to do.

[$marty]

To agree what Hustle said, it's nice to have an extra bit of promo for a release, as long as its not the full thing. What gets on my nerves is when these channels put up a full link to download the track in the description. It takes the piss.
We never put up a full clip of our stuff on soundcloud. Its usually a minute and a bit worth of audio. Might even watermark stuff in the future.
Thing that worried me was BA001 was put online a few days before general release. So it's made me think that someone who is working at one of the digi shops has leaked it.