Replacing tunes with higher quality. Some tips i picked up.

[richie_stix]

Hmmm, in my experience volume has been affected by quality.

right, let me re-phrase... there will be a neglible difference in volume due to the cutting off of the top and the bottom ends, but this perhaps is often moe 'percieved' volume than actual volume difference (remember we are talking about digital that has a max volume of 0dB).

however, go to my soundcloud (nopromo) and listen to the tunes, they vary in volume but they all the same quality, yagetsme!

[cptunicorn]

Neither did or I and a lot of people don't. I was informed by someone on Dubstep forum who runs a label and cuts dubs for a living. It is quite obvious if you think about it though. When a producer finishes a track they would normally export it as a wav. Apparently wavs for the digi release and wavs for the vinyl release are mastered slightly differently.

I'm a vinyl junkie, I love the crackles and the warmth of the bass you get from vinyl. The quality is necessarly better but that doesn't mean it doesn't sound nicer! Also, when you buy a digital track it doesn't really feel like you own something. I like the experiance of going to record shops and getting my vinyl or waiting on it to be delivered to my house and then being able to hold it and play it on a set of turntables. Digital djing imo feels like your taking the soul out of it. Don't get me wrong it doesn't require anyless skill etc.. It's just taking part of the fun out of it.

you are totally right. going to the store to buy tunes or selecting tunes that you want to buy on vinyl becomes like an additional hobby to the actual djing. sounds really fun. whereas with digital tracks, you listen to a tune on youtube and then open a new tab and get it.

i myself do digital djing. about a year ago, a friend of mine got an s4, so he sold me his old midi-controller for a ridiculously low price. i got the hang of it quite fast. even though ive always been listening to dnb, i started off mixing techno first (because its much easier) and then since january i started mixing dnb. i watched alot of videos on how to dj with vinyl though and its really quite inspiring. and its also the visual feeling of having a small square midi-controller as a setup, or 2 vinyl decks + controller. just seeing andy c going mental on his decks made me really want to start using vinyl.

but i heard that a good vinyl deck costs just under 1000euro, and thats really quite an investment. and dont get me started on the vinyls.

and just to gain a perspektive, how much do you assume one would have to spend on a vinyl setup with 2/3 decks and a 4-channel controller?

[Forau]

you are totally right. going to the store to buy tunes or selecting tunes that you want to buy on vinyl becomes like an additional hobby to the actual djing. sounds really fun. whereas with digital tracks, you listen to a tune on youtube and then open a new tab and get it.

i myself do digital djing. about a year ago, a friend of mine got an s4, so he sold me his old midi-controller for a ridiculously low price. i got the hang of it quite fast. even though ive always been listening to dnb, i started off mixing techno first (because its much easier) and then since january i started mixing dnb. i watched alot of videos on how to dj with vinyl though and its really quite inspiring. and its also the visual feeling of having a small square midi-controller as a setup, or 2 vinyl decks + controller. just seeing andy c going mental on his decks made me really want to start using vinyl.

but i heard that a good vinyl deck costs just under 1000euro, and thats really quite an investment. and dont get me started on the vinyls.

and just to gain a perspektive, how much do you assume one would have to spend on a vinyl setup with 2/3 decks and a 4-channel controller?

I have 1210's and serato, but still spend a bomb on vinyl.
I still maintain vinyl is the most satisfying medium to mix with. And hunting through crates of vinyl in a store is so unbelievably satisfying i cant even explain it.

As for price. Can get a nice little set up for around £400.

I bought my 1210's on ebay for £350 including postage and used my VMS4 midi controller as an analog mixer for a while, then about a year later got a xone92 and serato SL4 on finance.

[herojuana]

Wavs are what vinyl is cut from these days (obviously this hasn't always been the case) but they are mastered very differently. vinyl for instance can't have stereo bass below a certain frequency (40 or 60 hz or something) so is always mono. That shouldn't really matter though as apparently most club sound systems are mono only (according to data). There are other differences in the way it is mastered I am sure.


Richie, surely the sound will make a difference in quality if you have to drive up the gain on a track to make it as loud as the other and start clipping?

[cptunicorn]

I have 1210's and serato, but still spend a bomb on vinyl.
I still maintain vinyl is the most satisfying medium to mix with. And hunting through crates of vinyl in a store is so unbelievably satisfying i cant even explain it.

As for price. Can get a nice little set up for around £400.

I bought my 1210's on ebay for £350 including postage and used my VMS4 midi controller as an analog mixer for a while, then about a year later got a xone92 and serato SL4 on finance.

the way you just explained the shopping experience got me really hyped. im fucking jealous. all my digital music saved in invisible files on my harddrive. aaarrrgh.

alright. price seems decent, though i suppose as you get better you would always want to have better equipment.

i have one question though:
why do you run a software with the vinyl decks? i thought everything is done with the mixer.

[Forau]

Serato's timecode software. Not sure if your familiar with the concept, but basically your decks plug into the serato sound card, you then plug your mixer into it, and then plug it in via USB. You use timecode vinyls which have a:

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Kind of sound on them, and basically that signal changes dependiong on where on the vinyl the needle is, and the software translates this into where on the tune you have loaded it is.

Its awesome, and has saved me tonnes of money, now i only buy tunes i reallllyyy want on vinyl, instead of shelling out hundreds a month on throwaway tunes.

[cptunicorn]

Serato's timecode software. Not sure if your familiar with the concept, but basically your decks plug into the serato sound card, you then plug your mixer into it, and then plug it in via USB. You use timecode vinyls which have a:

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Kind of sound on them, and basically that signal changes dependiong on where on the vinyl the needle is, and the software translates this into where on the tune you have loaded it is.

Its awesome, and has saved me tonnes of money, now i only buy tunes i reallllyyy want on vinyl, instead of shelling out hundreds a month on throwaway tunes.

alright. i understand it. thanks for all the info mate!

[Howitzer]

Its awesome, and has saved me tonnes of money, now i only buy tunes i reallllyyy want on vinyl, instead of shelling out hundreds a month on throwaway tunes.

This +1000!

[lone_troop]

A man after my own heart! I learned on Traktor and so glad I did, ruined loads of discs at first but my last pair's been good for 6 months. Now I'm looking to get all my favourite tunes on vinyl it appears I have expensive taste, Aien Girl for £30+ ?! Definately couldn't afford more than one copy!

[fractal]

thought alien girl was only available on vinyl, something about missing DAT tapes or something

[lone_troop]

thought alien girl was only available on vinyl, something about missing DAT tapes or something

I got two copies...in the mix with Andy C/Grooverider (DNBA) and linked a vinyl rip, can spread the love if you like?

[Sicx]

Its awesome, and has saved me tonnes of money, now i only buy tunes i reallllyyy want on vinyl, instead of shelling out hundreds a month on throwaway tunes.

Okay i never did the second part but totally agree with the first. I only buy the vinyl of tracks I think are really special, mostly for sentimental value than anything else, I dont usually mix with them but just love to hear (and watch) them play....
Try telling anyone else this and they think you're abit of a weird basterd. But yeah, vinyl will always be special, even if I do love mixing using Traktor

[Forau]

I got two copies...in the mix with Andy C/Grooverider (DNBA) and linked a vinyl rip, can spread the love if you like?

Yeah, so you got a vinyl rip and a rip from a mix. Meaning hes right, no digi release lol.


Sicx, i used to spend an ungodly amount on vinyl. Was getting silly, then i realised probs only about 10% of my purchases were timeless, amazing tunes. The rest were the vinyl equivelent of buying an mp3, spinning it twice and sticking it deep away on your hard drive never to be played again.

[lone_troop]

Never said he was wrong...I was just ellaborating on how I got hold of digital copies.

[Forau]

Try telling anyone else this and they think you're abit of a weird basterd. But yeah, vinyl will always be special, even if I do love mixing using Traktor

Yeah man, something about it excites me far more than it should.