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Basically I'm trying to produce a scratch record for personal use, so I was wondering whether anyone knows where I can get a test press done in the UK.
I think a test press is around 15 copies which I am prepared to pay for so any comments/info would be helpful.
Basically I'm trying to produce a scratch record for personal use, so I was wondering whether anyone knows where I can get a test press done in the UK.
I think a test press is around 15 copies which I am prepared to pay for so any comments/info would be helpful.
I'd buy one off ya :D
But I have no idea where to get one. Best off checkin' the magazines for ads in the back :p
If I get um done u can certainly have a copy...big if though!
Anyone else interested in a copy?
If ya got some room for a few extra samples, I'll have to dig up some 'impulz' samples!! :D
If ya got some room for a few extra samples, I'll have to dig up some 'impulz' samples!! :D
No problem..its about 70-80% complete at the moment so gonna take a little while. They will hav to be pretty good quality though.
They will hav to be pretty good quality though.
That's the only way I'd have it ;)
put me down 4 one
http://www.lowliferecords.freeserve.co.uk/independent/prices.htm
put me down 4 one
http://www.lowliferecords.freeserve.co.uk/independent/prices.htm
ure quite welcome to one when I get it pressed......aint these people gone bust I heard.
Check dis
http://www.lowliferecords.freeserve.co.uk/independent/index.htm
Oh.....
maybe not then :P
Saying that the prices they've got are pretty good, and it's only an hour and a bit from me....I've mailed um to c whether they is still up n running.
Got a reply from lowliferecords and I got the following quote...
Cutting Lacquers 12" 2 sides £180.00
Processing 2 sides £120.00
20 test pressings £ 30.00
delivery £ 4.80
sub-total £334.80
+ VAT £ 58.59
TOTAL £393.39
Ouch, I thought it was gonna be half that!
If I can drum up some more people to buy one I may go ahead with it, otherwise I'll hav to find a cheaper quote.
If anyone is interested in getting hold of some breaks/scratch records I found a nice selection at http://www.turntablelab.com/index1.html
gonna start working on this again. Gonna have some dnb drum loops in it this time and some bassline samples.
Also anyone know of anywhere cheaper for pressing vinyl?
tenbellys
15-07-2002, 08:36
http://www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/
http://www.disctronics.co.uk/
http://www.crystalsound.co.uk/studio/cd_manufacturing.htm (loads on this one)
not sure if there any good, just a quick little surf round the net:biggrin: :thumbsup:
http://www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/
http://www.disctronics.co.uk/
http://www.crystalsound.co.uk/studio/cd_manufacturing.htm (loads on this one)
not sure if there any good, just a quick little surf round the net:biggrin: :thumbsup:
Nice one :thumbsup:
abbotnik
15-07-2002, 10:28
Try Transistion Studios
...
They'll cut your laquers for about £130
then go pick 'em up and take em to a big pressing plant such as MPO or AGR and you'll get better value for money
Just got another quote, but processing is gonna vary with the number of 'infinite' samples I hav :/
the processing will be £135.00 (a/b)
20 x tp's £48.00
+ vat and delivery
Looks as though I'm going to hav to get off my ass and sort this out
let me know what kind of stuff you are puttin on it.. i might be interested.
if you are just looking for some good jungle scratch records be sure to check out the n2o jungle tool series (i think they have 4 of em now)...
let me know what kind of stuff you are puttin on it.. i might be interested.
if you are just looking for some good jungle scratch records be sure to check out the n2o jungle tool series (i think they have 4 of em now)...
Mine is gonna b basically similar to the N2O series, of which I have 3...didn't know there was 4 :/ might have to go find the 4th.
Its gonna b a bit less jungle influenced, i.e. less mc'ed samples. Gonna have some clean drum n bass loops for juggling/scratch n droppin and some phat bassline loops on there aswell....all taxed of course :lickface:
Once I get it finished I'll see if I can post it up somewhere for people to listen :gun:
its a shame you can't get a 1 off dub, playing the same sample bck/forth would last you 5 minutes cause of the wear and tear on the acetate :/
i'm not sure, but maybe (only) one vinyl-pressing factory here in czech republic should be cheaper.. but i don't know if they press less than 100 pcs and there may be also a problem with transport.. check http://www.gzcd.cz/en/doc/en_gd_gbp.htm ..
and i'd like to have a copy too :)
If you want to flog me one I'll have one too.
Someone tell me to get off my lazy ass and finish this off :shake:
Anyone else interseted?
Triple M
23-08-2002, 14:23
That reminds me...
Gotta get u the samples.. U got a deadline for me?
:P
Originally posted by Triple M
That reminds me...
Gotta get u the samples.. U got a deadline for me?
:P
Nah, dunno if stu has done his samples either :smash:
I dunno bout the time course for this, I'm probably gonna go on a massive sample mission soon so if your's are to me by then I can add them in, if not :toughshitsmiley:
:thumbsup:
vinylcarvers
05-09-2003, 09:58
hi there,
we're in london and do everlasting dubs
did a couple of scratch records already and everybody likes them
we can cut on a very light material (1mm thick) and our records are completely clear - so u can mark your samples underneath
we have an introductory offer on our website: www.vinylcarvers.com
for more info there's an earlier thread on this forum:
http://dnbforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3979&highlight=everlasting
cheers,
vc
puzl munkey
06-09-2003, 08:40
just a suggestion.... you might want to check out some digital alternatives insead of going the vinyl route for a scratch record. as someone who has gone thru the vinyl process.... lemme tell you, it's way more worth your $$$ to just invest in digital for the long run. whether that be a cd turntable or Final Scratch. especially if you already own a laptop. I run FS and I am a scratch dj....the timing is on point for scratches.... the only downfall to that gear is for hectic backspin/cue comboes and complex beat juggles. I wouldn't fuck with anything but vinyl for that. but, for straight scratching? unless you are dirtstyle, fuck limited runs of scratch vinyl.... it's economically illogical when the alternatives are right there and accessible these days. the world of sound opens up when you can immediately bounce that bass line to final scratch or a cd and cut it up without having to leave your house or let the vinyl middle man kill your wallet dead.
puzl munkey
06-09-2003, 08:46
not to mention.... when you press up scratch sentences on vinyl without physically trying them out on dubplate to asseess the timing.... you best watch out. shite doesn't turn out how you thought it would...trust me. however cool it sounds to the ear.... the actual scratch process is very different in terms of functionality. if you end up going with vinyl...your better off doing a Rectangle style record... where all the sounds are isolated... kinda sucks...but, at least you play it safe that way and don't have sounds running into each other on back cues. another very big benefit of digital.... if the sounds aren't timed right... it's so damn easy and $$ free to fix it.
temper_d
06-09-2003, 13:03
while we're on the subject...klusta i got your cd, you got some serious skils mate..big up!
zeeky deek
06-09-2003, 20:34
im proper interested in one, so basically, if 20 peeps pitch in, we're lookin at about 15 each... bad really
do u reckon its possible to get that mad sound that marky uses in that old movement CD over "four days".
this project is all being still worked on, thinking about doing the everlasting dubplate buisness but I aint convinced yet. I'd have to have one to believe (vinylcarvers u can hook me up with a fuckin hostile dub is u want :teeth:). Clear records would be sweet for scratch vinyl though.
aint going down the final scratch cd dec route yet, I'm gettin closer to it though.
temper_d: cheers, glad ya liked it
zeeky deek
17-09-2003, 12:58
wats happenin wit this then?
vinylcarvers
17-09-2003, 18:01
hi again, sorry for the delay
unfortunately we can't offer any further testcuts
but can assure you that our plates are wicked as we didn't have a single complaint yet
klusta: if you email us your address we could send you one of our adjustment-plates (with different fragments of our stuff on it)
so you can see/hear what they are like + scratch with them?
MC Motion
19-09-2003, 00:16
If you could get some good reece's on there i.e. anything Pendulum use, then i'd pay bucks!!!
I've been dreaming of owning the reece from vault (no beats over the top though just reece) on a scratch vinyl or even better a lockgroove!!!!!! :rosie:
and erm.. what are u guys using to make these records?
vinylcarvers
19-09-2003, 18:47
we're using a prototype machine, invented by a friend of us
why the shit website and secrecy?
either youre a tad shifty or just extremely bad at marketing, though your enthusiasm leans towards the latter
have you got any images of the gear you use?
has your "friend" who invented this "prototype" got a name? im sure im not the only qualified engineer on here who would love to talk with someone whos knocked up a vinyl lathe in this day and age
has he got patents on his design (the only reason id assume why you wouldnt be gettin us to peep your mad rig)
sounds a lot like you probably just know someone with a vestax cutter.
so instead of all flaming me for the negativity, why not put me in my place with :
1) some serious facts
2) some images of gear used
3) proof you know your biz when it comes to mastering for vinyl
but yeah, without a doubt im hoping youre legit and all that, but in this day an age it pays to be dubious when it comes to dubs!
vinylcarvers
19-09-2003, 21:41
hey dude, relax
we're inventors, not website-designers
the machine is brandnew and if you take a closer look at our website you'd find the desired pictures in our article from the UK - DJ-mag, one of the world's most reputable dj-magazines
if you don't know how to behave then get yourself a vestax and don't bother us
if you were just discussing the process then thats fine
but by offering a break-through service such as "ever-lasting dub plates", by attempting to sell this service, you are going to come under scrutiny such as my post above.
so its not a question of behaviour. its a matter of me giving you some incentive and oppurtinity to prove your product and method, as well as a a firm nudge to get on and do it!
i note with some small interest that you didnt attempt to address ANY of the issues i raised however.
and regarding magazine articles... heh. look my company has built midi controllers before and that showed us how eager magazines are to publish articles on gear they havent even tested/seen let alone verified that it isnt just vaporware/fraud, so no, im not impressed on that front.
so again.... if you want to step up to some facts id love the hear it. as i said, we of the engineering ilk are always eager to see old techniques (this case vinyl lathing) updated for a new market. not to mention how cool "ever lasting dub plates" would be in general.
nightwalker
20-09-2003, 23:05
@ vinylcarvers.. yeah your dubs might last forever but my friend told me they have a bit of wow and flutter.. which actually makes sense to me seeing as you use a 1210 as the platter compared to a fuckin huge one on a cutting machine thats like the thickness of a whole turntable..
so the bottom line is.. yeah your shit is for real.. but its got wow and flutter LOL,
so for tunes i'd say no no... but for scratch records it sounds like a perfect solution
vinylcarvers
21-09-2003, 00:27
:wave: we could spend a lot of time defending ourselves - simply cause we've come up with sthg new, funny
NIGHTWALKER - pls tell your friend to contact us, we've never had such a complaint
would like to investigate, honestly
and - if it's true - gonna cut him a new one, of course
can't be the 1210 as the motor is not in use, was too weak for our needs
most dance vinyls we play are more wavily than ours
DSAMP - a discussion requires listening, not just offending
if you'd like to find out more details pls follow the links to other forums on our webpage
all your issues are explained there, the world is not spinning around you, go for some yoga or sthg
btw, we're engineers and producers ourselves
we have a SSL 4040 which we refurbished ourselves
sold a million records over the past 10 years - though the stuff is very different to what we produce now :-)
think we had double platinum in australia
does this include us in your 'engineering ilk'?
so no time to do proper webpages at this stage
KLUSTA - pls email us your address, gonna send you one - so u can judge
if you email us a 1min sample mp3 we could cut that as well
will check the forums links then, but thats pretty lame man, come on get your marketing chops together
an ssl nice. still, doesnt have anything to do with your lathe
will stick to czech republic and corduroy australia for our vinyl, where they have real lathes.
ps, you wouldnt need to "defend" yourselves like you say if you were clear and honest straight up. :whipem:
@ Kluster
I may be a bit late on this conversation but i have had a few 'Battle Weapons' released (me and Stu C4C did them) and so i know a little bit about all this....
If you want you can contact me on - tobie@nu-urbanmusic.co.uk
and i will be able to give you some help with the manafacturing and costs etc...
if you wanna get in touch via e mail i have a few things that may be of interest to you mate.
vinylcarvers
23-09-2003, 14:24
NIGHTWALKER - the plate from your friend - was it a 2mm black one? would be very helpful for us to know
thanks,
vc
@Nightwalker
I have had to plates cut with this company and have had no problems with them at all, in fact I have been quite impressed with the quality and will use them again.
If you need proof there is a review done by myself on this site and my own, which has audio sample and pictures of the wave.
@Dsamp
I agree they could do more with marketing and the such but I got to be honest mate and this may be due to reading rather than hearing you speak it, but you came across as rude and arrogant. Again if your unsure you can check my review but final decision lays with yourself....
@Klusta
I would recommend the 1mm scratch vinyl they do for your scratch record, its flexible so you havent got a problem with warping over time and fucking light, plus being transparent you can mark the reverse.
AT the end of the day , a normal cutting lathe, be it neumann or vestax or what ever would not be able to cut straight to vinyl, The prcoess must involve heat, I have seen vinylcarvers posts on many sites and i have not seen anything negative about them yet execept for people who have not used them. I get my vinyl and dubs done the normal way but this idea is very good as long as the mastering is spot on, If it is then I would rather pay 50 to test something then 300 to get laquers, plating and stampers made.
just my 2 cents
vinylcarvers
26-09-2003, 21:14
thanks for your support guys!
and big thanks to sdm as well who did a review of one of our plates
complete with pictures + soundfiles
it's located here:
http://dnbforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6186
cheers,
tina and werner
vc
ive got one up to cant remember the link though :)
vinylcarvers
27-09-2003, 02:06
hey, good u remind us, thx!
wanted to put this on our site since 2 weeks or so ... need holiday
we'll do that immediately
I think sdm linked it as well in his review
it's here:
http://dnbforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5963
cheers,
tina and werner
vc
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