View Full Version : 1210s - still deserve to be industry standard?
DJ Lordward
30-08-2004, 23:00
Hopefully I'll be pickin up a pair of 1210s soon & I was wondering what y'all think of 'em now? Alot of people say they just don't compare with newer decks which are higher spec. I still reckon they deserve to be the industry standard as they have the bare essential features & last a lifetime (which is so important in clubs).
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Peace
Hopefully I'll be pickin up a pair of 1210s soon & I was wondering what y'all think of 'em now? Alot of people say they just don't compare with newer decks which are higher spec. I still reckon they deserve to be the industry standard as they have the bare essential features & last a lifetime (which is so important in clubs).
Leave a post in this thread with your vote to say why you voted for what you voted for!
Peace
1210 for me, although I've not used the Vestax.
However all the clubs I've ever played in have never had Vestax, so the takeover isn't here just yet.
Dexcile`
31-08-2004, 11:26
Yeah i think that is the crux of the matter, Thay will be in every club youll ever play at, so why get used to the features of another deck. Anyway the 1210 isnt an old deck! diddnt the mark 3 just come in to up the standard, while keeping to the basic winning formula
id say 1210 all the way, but i was fortunate enuff to use a pair of Vestax last saturday, and hot damn!! they are sweet..!
still tho, they do your head in with all the knobs and dials...
when ill do the upgrade from my shity numarks, i m defo goin for the Techs.
vestax I mostly voted for.....in terms of performance they blow 1210's out of the water but caus they installed everywhere clubs won't change in any hurry!
DJ Lordward
31-08-2004, 13:45
yeah...spose we'll have to wait & see if another deck takes over, but i can't see that happening for a long time. until another deck proves to be as reliable & last as long as technics, its gonna be technics all the way.
I think its interesting how hardly any top of the range decks come with lids anymore! If you want decks to last and live in a club - they gotta come with lids haven't they! :weirdo:
Anyways, I'm pickin up my pair of 1210s 2nite so bring it on!! :gslayer:
who needs bpm counters and a reverse button.id say vestax are good 4 gabba djs cause u can speed it up.but as in scratchin n that technics are jus as reliable as vestax IMO
but as in scratchin n that technics are jus as reliable as vestax IMO
heh, personally i don't agree with this....I can do alot more with pdx's than 1210's.
DJ Lordward
01-09-2004, 11:57
Ahh I picked up my 1210s last nite & damn they're sweet! They feel & look so gooood. Don't know if any1 else has noticed, but they smell real nice too lol
Love my 1210's, tho i've never used Vestax so I cant compaire.
Triple M
01-09-2004, 20:22
All about the techs... always will be :spliff:
I guess cos they are standard, and been around so long people are sentimental about them too.
i love em, although I know there are some cool top end decks out there now
1210 al the way! love them.
The technics have got to go, they're not a patch on vestax.
Notice how all the other turntable manufacturers bite vestax now and not technics.
I've never used a technics that performs 100% in any club I've played at which throws the durability argument out the window. They can't even be arsed to calibrate them at the factory so they could be playing 2% out without you knowing.
DJ Lordward
03-09-2004, 11:56
I've never used a technics that performs 100% in any club I've played at which throws the durability argument out the window.
The only reason they never perform well wen i use em is cos they dont bother changing the needles!
They can't even be arsed to calibrate them at the factory so they could be playing 2% out without you knowing.
huh?? what u mean?
technics have a habit of the pitch control going, they may seem solid but some of the components do go. 3 of my mates with 1210's have the same problem where the pitch will jump even when moving the fader a minute distance.
There is also an internal switch where the pitch range can be changed i.e. the chip fully clockwise will make your 1210's +/- 16% (its fucking rediculous locking down the pitch though)
1210's do need looking after and alot of club owners just don't bother caus they think 'oh industry standard, they won't go wrong'
can i just add, putting away a decks usability factor, that im really sick of decks looking like spaceships.
And thats why Techs will be teh uno,
until all people who appreciate simple hardware looks, perish..
Black box > silver shuttle
:slick: :bruce:
Dexcile`
04-09-2004, 22:19
Ahh I picked up my 1210s last nite & damn they're sweet! They feel & look so gooood. Don't know if any1 else has noticed, but they smell real nice too lol
yeah! i always loved the smell of vinyl aswell
Ive been brought up to belive that when a product hits the market, it starts at a high price and over the life of the product the price gradually drops. If this where true of 1210s the original price would have been like 20.000 a set. Havnt thay been about 700 (for two) nicker since the dawn of time?
On the subject of vestax, When the pdx's landed the general consensus was that straight armed decks where practically impossible to jog. Is this still the case? how many people have seen 1210's with five pence peices glued to the stylus cover :wink:
The only reason they never perform well wen i use em is cos they dont bother changing the needles!
huh?? what u mean?
My mate bought some new ones and when I tried to double up a track I had to have one on +4 and one on +6.
That don't happen on any vestax decks I've used
Add to that they're impossible to calibrate bang on (unless you can find 3.33333333333333333& exactly on your pitch slider)
DJ Lordward
07-09-2004, 11:11
My mate bought some new ones and when I tried to double up a track I had to have one on +4 and one on +6.
That don't happen on any vestax decks I've used
Add to that they're impossible to calibrate bang on (unless you can find 3.33333333333333333& exactly on your pitch slider)
damn thats well bad. il have to get 2 copies of a record & see if they're the same pitch on both of mine. I reckon they will be at the same speed tho.
@ Seethe: yeah theres always loadsa pennies taped onto 1210s in clubs, but i reckon thats cos they dont change the needles frequenly enough. My Ortofon Om Pros never skip on my 1210s, even with heavy scratching.
damn thats well bad. il have to get 2 copies of a record & see if they're the same pitch on both of mine. I reckon they will be at the same speed tho.
@ Seethe: yeah theres always loadsa pennies taped onto 1210s in clubs, but i reckon thats cos they dont change the needles frequenly enough. My Ortofon Om Pros never skip on my 1210s, even with heavy scratching.
you don't need two copies mate. If you dont have any doubles, start a tune at 0 pitch and beat-mix another into it. Check what the second tune's pitch is closely; then swap the two records to opposite decks and try the same thing, start first tune at 0 then check what the second tune's pitch is. If its different to the first reading you are out of whack.
doubles will give you a clearer reading for sure, but this method will give you a result at least. And they will almost certainly be out, I must say.
Also I think people use coins cos they sometimes havent balanced the tone arm
yeah! i always loved the smell of vinyl aswell
Ive been brought up to belive that when a product hits the market, it starts at a high price and over the life of the product the price gradually drops. If this where true of 1210s the original price would have been like 20.000 a set. Havnt thay been about 700 (for two) nicker since the dawn of time?
a products price is determined by the demand for said product.
Another evidence that Techs are the most popular
:jacko:
Dexcile`
08-09-2004, 11:08
I see, you dont feel unfairly treated having paying 700 quid for something thats old technology :shrug:
I see, you dont feel unfairly treated having paying 700 quid for something thats old technology :shrug:
I would if that ment the product is shit. But for an 80's Porche ya still expected to cash up, innit.
Dexcile`
08-09-2004, 17:12
very true about the porche, you wouldnt expect to pay the same amount for it as you would have done in 1980 though. Ive used Technics and ive used other decks. I fully get the quality issue people are talking about, there is just a great solid feel to them and my opinion is thay are worth the 700 odd quid youd spend on a pair. However, its still odd to see something NEVER depreciate no matter how great it is. I think it comes down to the lack of competition. Vestax just arnt up to it
DJ Lordward
10-09-2004, 11:50
Yo Mesh I tried that out on my 1210s & the pitch is perfect on both of em! exactly the same speed 4 both decks.
Yo Mesh I tried that out on my 1210s & the pitch is perfect on both of em! exactly the same speed 4 both decks.
cool bro
speakin of technics im off to see friction and pendulum tonight
:smash: :smash:
:andy:
cool bro
speakin of technics im off to see friction and pendulum tonight
:smash: :smash:
:andy:
Thanx his mother for the rabbits ;)
:spliff:
DJ Lordward
11-09-2004, 22:23
cool bro
speakin of technics im off to see friction and pendulum tonight
:smash: :smash:
:andy:
kool - have a good night! sure u will!
I'm a Technics fan, I have loads of Technics merch cause I like them so much, but even then I'd still go for a pair of Vestax PDX 2000s over a pair of 1210s any day. (not the 2300s, not worth it for cost vs. new features)
Vestaxes have higher torque, only take 0.5 seconds to get up to speed - whatever speed you have the deck running at, so that could be +60 - their ASTS tracking system is quality, and the design of the decks is sturdy.
Saying that, I wouldn't buy the silver ones. Only the black ones for me, go with the mixer ;)
1210s have lost their crown by staying "as they always were" for too long. They're old technology now - when it was good it was great, but now they're beginning to look and feel a bit dated, even with their classic design lines. Innovation breeds market share.
And I can't believe that Technics just put their standard 1210 motor design into their new CDJ player - that's just poor. They could've at least updated it to give a bit of a more up-to-date underlying machine, a little more speed, a little more accuracy.
Or perhaps Technics are stuck in a moment and they can't get out of it :/
spinning in a club can be a mad haze of faces, shouting and smoke
why u wanna do ur head in with complicated decks?
keep it simple and focus on the music
If the main features (pitch control and torque) of a PDX2000 are of better quality and easier to use than the ones on a Technics (as I think they are), then your point is invalidated :P
End of the day, Technics win and vestax lose. No place ive ever played has had vestax and that goes for a number of other people in here. More gadgets = more things to go wrong. :finger2:
Only main reason that clubs still have Technics is that all (most) of the DJs are so set in their ways they'd just kick up a fuss if the decks were changed, cause they're used to DJing on what I'd consider nowadays inferior quality decks.
Plus, Technics still go wrong as well. :P End of the day, all the PDX2000 has more is 1) better anti-skip protection, 2) better tracking arm, 3) better pitch control, 4) MORE pitch control (good for scratch & hiphop DJs primarily, but some interesting uses can be had), 5) quartz lock, 6) pretty much the most torque per lb on any deck around today. How's half a second startup to +50 float your boat? You don't have to push the record off with your hand to get it started any more :/ ... Course if you like living in the past, don't mind me while I nip past you. :P
DJ Lordward
22-09-2004, 21:52
:(
wassup Mesh??
wassup Mesh??
torment Lordward. All this chat about technics vs vestax has much basis, but I hardly think its stepping into the future ya know? hardly a quantum leap in terms of what you can DO on 'em, the new flash ones
Only main reason that clubs still have Technics is that all (most) of the DJs are so set in their ways they'd just kick up a fuss if the decks were changed, cause they're used to DJing on what I'd consider nowadays inferior quality decks.
Plus, Technics still go wrong as well. :P End of the day, all the PDX2000 has more is 1) better anti-skip protection, 2) better tracking arm, 3) better pitch control, 4) MORE pitch control (good for scratch & hiphop DJs primarily, but some interesting uses can be had), 5) quartz lock, 6) pretty much the most torque per lb on any deck around today. How's half a second startup to +50 float your boat? You don't have to push the record off with your hand to get it started any more :/ ... Course if you like living in the past, don't mind me while I nip past you. :P
Nip past us all mang, seeing as your such a big dj now :readthis: :upyours:
ALPHA'mC
15-10-2004, 15:42
You'd have to be mis guided or completely stupid to think that 1210's are the best dex. vestax kik ass all the way with almost every spec. BUT as we all know 1210's are excellent turntables, extremely reliable and built like brick shit houses! 1210's deserver to be industry standard because theyve been around since the begining, and are the industry standard as most top djs when they learned their trade technics were the only things to have, so they are used to them and would perform as well on other dex.
new poll_ do milk bottles deserve to be the industry standard?
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You'd have to be mis guided or completely stupid to think that 1210's are the best dex. vestax kik ass all the way with almost every spec. BUT as we all know 1210's are excellent turntables, extremely reliable and built like brick shit houses! 1210's deserver to be industry standard because theyve been around since the begining, and are the industry standard as most top djs when they learned their trade technics were the only things to have, so they are used to them and would perform as well on other dex.
new poll_ do milk bottles deserve to be the industry standard?
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yea thats why vestax have won so many more awards then technics?!?! yea right
While Technics may have proven to be a solidly-built deck, they're certainly slipping behind the Vestax PDX range (and the new Numarks coming out have even better torque than the Vestaxes!) - I'm sorry, but I agree - if you think that the Technics is the overall better deck out of the choise of the top-of-the-range Vestaxes, Numarks, Stantons and Technics, then you're sadly mistaken.
Proven build quality doesn't constitute a superior deck. And besides, you should be careful with your decks. There's no reason to throw them around, in which case toughness doesn't really factor into the equation that much. All you people holding onto the same old "Technics are best cause they're in tall the clubs" argument, stand back and just considering in a non-partisan way. If you can.
Better yet, go to a music store that has a PDX2000/2300 and a Technics 1210 Mk2 set up side by side, and just try them both out at the same time on things like pitch control / spin up time / tracking / stability (and ability to withstand shocks and not skip while playing a record). The Vestax will win every single one of those.
Now tell me the Technics is a better deck. WAS the better deck, still is the industry standard because... It's Technics. In my opinion, it's now paying for the name to a large extent.
i bought a pair of 1210's back in march.
not one but both of the pitches have gone completely apeshit. my right deck is so bad that +0 is around +5 and it can fluctuate all the way down to -5. you can see the pitch dots flailing around by just moving the pitch in minute amounts.
my left deck isn't as bad but it's getting there. i took it out of the box the other day to play a record shipment i got and i could barely keep anything in mix. both decks will be beatmatched perfectly then all of a sudden the platter will slow down really fast by itself and i'd trainwreck.
to make matters worse, i gotta ship both of them off to PA where the repair factory is and wait 2 weeks to get em back. that's also $60 out of my pocket. can't get replacements cause they said i wouldn't get a warranty with it. they even accused me of mistreating them. when i save up for 2 years for a pair decks the last thing i'm gonna do is bang em around.
sorry for the rant. just thinking about this makes me furious :mad:
ALPHA'mC
18-10-2004, 11:37
mate, my 1210's have gone through a house fire! being one of the only things reckognisable left! when the fire brigade came into the house they sprayed the decks with water (along with everything else) the insurance company came around straight away and started cleaning all the shit ot of the house, they chucked the 1210's in the skip! i rescued them, plugged them in at a friends house, and bingo! they still worked! So if your decks pitch control is fucked already, i look on what you are saying with a strong feeling of sceptism. If it wasnt you, one mof your mates probably spilled beer them while u wernt looking, then maybe jismed on them too.
so if anyone tries to say 1210's are shit or that they dont deserve to be industry standard, they can suck my nipples cuz that is a battering that they took! there wasnt much left after the fire.
maybe it was a sign from god?
and p.s
vestax & numark both produce better decks, and yes, they DO! BUT!..... BUT! Linux make better Operating systems than Windows, but i highly doubt all the big games company's and sofwtare developers are gonna say, 'hey, widows suck willy, lets stop making games for windows O/S even though we know our games WORK FINE on that O/S and make games for Linux (of which only 1% of all operating systems are Linux) cuz it soooooo much better'
totaly like whateva, yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah
ARSE!!!!!!
BIG XEN, he fuckin knows it!!!!!!!!!!!!
End of the day, I don't mind if other people stick with their overpriced, inferior Technics while I save about 60 quid (that's 10 new bits from Classic Trax then) and get two vastly better decks to play them on. Cheers ;)
End of the day, I don't mind if other people stick with their overpriced, inferior Technics while I save about 60 quid (that's 10 new bits from Classic Trax then) and get two vastly better decks to play them on. Cheers ;)
Have fun when u might play in a proper club with technics and u dont know how to use em then. All i can hear is double beats, double beats, double beats ;)
ALPHA'mC
18-10-2004, 13:22
true
Not gonna happen. Vestaxes are so intuitive to use, first decks I used were 1210s, and after jumping onto my mate's Vestaxes I knew exactly what to do within a minute or so. Yeah, the pitch faders are a little different in response, but that's easy to get to grips with. No notch, so you don't get stuck in 0 if you're doing some uber pitch chasing ala Andrew Clarke.
Better torque, easier launches onto breaks, easier to nudge the pitch and faster to hear the results as well, a harder push will elicit not as much speed variation because of the better torque. So you don't have to worry about pushing your record too hard, and then having to correct in the opposite direction cause you gave it too much of a nudge.
I'm sorry, even as a big Technics fan, Vestaxes outclass them. It's a done deal. :P
Are you just all bitter cause you invested in 1210s? :D
Have fun when u might play in a proper club with technics and u dont know how to use em then. All i can hear is double beats, double beats, double beats ;)
That might be deliberate, some of my elite double teasing & layering please :slick:
That might be deliberate, some of my elite double teasing & layering please :slick:
keep on telling yourself its deliberate. anyway, point taken u think vestax are better, i think technics are better. Nuff said. Everbody entitled to their own opinion but the stats at the top of the page dont lie. Peash
Not gonna happen. Vestaxes are so intuitive to use, first decks I used were 1210s, and after jumping onto my mate's Vestaxes I knew exactly what to do within a minute or so. Yeah, the pitch faders are a little different in response, but that's easy to get to grips with. No notch, so you don't get stuck in 0 if you're doing some uber pitch chasing ala Andrew Clarke.
Better torque, easier launches onto breaks, easier to nudge the pitch and faster to hear the results as well, a harder push will elicit not as much speed variation because of the better torque. So you don't have to worry about pushing your record too hard, and then having to correct in the opposite direction cause you gave it too much of a nudge.
I'm sorry, even as a big Technics fan, Vestaxes outclass them. It's a done deal. :P
Are you just all bitter cause you invested in 1210s? :D
The 1210 MkIII's don't have the notch in the pitch to stop it at 0.
keep on telling yourself its deliberate. anyway, point taken u think vestax are better, i think technics are better. Nuff said. Everbody entitled to their own opinion but the stats at the top of the page dont lie. Peash
:word: I'm with him, they are the standard and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Having never used any Vestax decks I can't comment myself, but the 'toy' style design certainly do them any favours.
sparkyc10
18-10-2004, 18:47
on paper vestax are the better deck. better torque, pitch etc. But after usin both i just find technics are the easier to use. It seems a lot of other people think the same, so surely which one allows you to perform better is more important than which ones got the better tech stats. Also that tiddly little tone arm does my nut in on the vestax!
DJ Lordward
18-10-2004, 22:45
so Technics are caning this poll up so far. its all about the Technics!
Like Reapa sed, if uv gone from ur perfect Vestax at home to Technics in a club then ur fooked!
I dont know if Vestax are supplied with lids now, but I cant believe they never used to supply em with lids - that aint good!
So if your decks pitch control is fucked already, i look on what you are saying with a strong feeling of sceptism. If it wasnt you, one mof your mates probably spilled beer them while u wernt looking, then maybe jismed on them too.
:lol: i'm extremely sure that didn't happen cause i'm the only one that has touched them. no one i know is into djing (or dnb). in fact i've showed em off to only 3 people and that was for an extremely short period of time before we left. nothing has been spilled, tampered with, banged around, broken, misused, or jizzed on since i got them, unless you call pitch bending misuse. dust cover goes on when i don't use em.
i can see how people can think i'm lying and fucked around with them but i honestly just watched them degrade to the point they're at now. i noticed it around june and it's been downhill from there.
i'm not saying they're bad decks either, it's just the experience i've had with them has been less than stellar. they're gonna be shipped off tomorrow.
so Technics are caning this poll up so far. its all about the Technics!
Like Reapa sed, if uv gone from ur perfect Vestax at home to Technics in a club then ur fooked!
I dont know if Vestax are supplied with lids now, but I cant believe they never used to supply em with lids - that aint good!
Yer, they are. Easily removable.
Fair enough, the straight tonearm might piss some people off - it's good though, and the ASTS anti skip system on those decks is just :O amazing.
The silver ones don't really do the deck justice in terms of looks, they do look a bit too playdoh-ey. That's why I'm buying the black ones ;)
Been an interesting conversation, this... :)
Been an interesting conversation, this... :)
Sensible discussion is always good :bruce:
Ooooooooooooooo and you know what sensible discussion gets? A Brucey Bonus! ooooooh yessss lovely lovely lovely.
sparkyc10
19-10-2004, 19:35
Yer, they are. Easily removable.
The silver ones don't really do the deck justice in terms of looks, they do look a bit too playdoh-ey. That's why I'm buying the black ones ;)
:)
not too keen on the white ones either :shake:
Sensible discussion is always good :bruce:
releasing steam is good too...oh, and steak n kidney pie.. :rinsed:
I really like people who when asked about changing the standard say that they've only played Technics BUT love them so the standard shouldn't be changed.
I don't think 1210's deserve to be standard. They're not as good as even mid-range decks from competition, whether it be Vestax or other companies. The top range decks just blow every 1210 out of the water, even if its a goldplated v5.
BUT if you want to play in a club and not carry your decks around, you've got to learn to handle 1210's, not the better decks.
Its like learning to race an brand new Carrera and then finding you have to race an E-type Jag. Its still a great car (showing its age in comparison) and in the hands of a pro it will do great but the techniques are totally different.
On the other hand, if you learn on 1210's, you won't have trouble switching to a deck with +/- 60% pitch, pitch shifting, variable brake and startup speeds and a platter that goes from 0 to full speed in half a second... Guess what I'm talking about.
I learnt that the hard way and am still learning it.
Buying 1210's is still a wise choice only because they're everywhere.
DJ Lordward
20-10-2004, 20:32
thats a good post Dustek. i agree wit all that (Y)
On the other hand, if you learn on 1210's, you won't have trouble switching to a deck with +/- 60% pitch, pitch shifting, variable brake and startup speeds and a platter that goes from 0 to full speed in half a second... Guess what I'm talking about.
thats absolutely wrong, imho.
When one's used to a simple layout, and goes to play on a vestax, then, one's really puzzled by all the knobs and dials, and one has two(!!) pitch faders to worry about,
Add to all that the agonizing glare from the silver-shine finish of the dex, and you got a hell of a switch from a simple proffesional equipment, to a Vauxal nova, tuned to 500bhp...painted silver..
:cat:
You ignore the knobs you can't deal with and use start/stop, pitch +/- 10, 33/45. The rest you learn to use later. Its not complicated for somebody who's mastered split hearing.
I admit the silver PDX looks crap and plastic (black though looks good) but it doesn't glare and its all about the music, not the looks, isn't it?
:soap_box:
You ignore the knobs you can't deal with and use start/stop, pitch +/- 10, 33/45. The rest you learn to use later. Its not complicated for somebody who's mastered split hearing.
I admit the silver PDX looks crap and plastic (black though looks good) but it doesn't glare and its all about the music, not the looks, isn't it?
:soap_box:
Very true. The silver ones don't shine or glare, it's just cause your jealous that your 1210s have scratches all over the dusty black, scratched-to-fuck shells :P ;)
It really is elementary - you just _know_ what does what. Everything's labeled with small writing, big enough to be read but not small enough to be annoyingly small, so you can quite easily work out what's what. The +/-50 fader is inset right into the deck, and is physically quite hard to move, and is at a perpendicular to the regular pitch fader, so no problems there. The Quartz Lock button has an LED which illuminates when enabled (as does reverse), so you don't make the mistake of trying to mix with the Quartz Lock then fucking it all up when you suddenly realise and turn it off.
Just look at that ASTS anti-skip system. Phwoar.
http://djservice.com/data/grafix/Produkte/vestax/PDX2000/PDX2000_4.jpg
In-set sockets around the back too, essential. Also has a remote jack for "momentary start" - remote playback, you could work out a whole "mystery DJ where is he" routine before popping out from behind the curtains just as the first record drops, to screams from your adoring fans ;)
Plus, while it doesn't look baaad in silver (silver high-grade ABS, not just 'plastic' ta) it looks funk-eh in black.
http://djservice.com/data/grafix/Produkte/vestax/PDX2000/PDX2000S_black_2.jpg
Tell me that ain't a smart deck. :D
zeeky deek
20-10-2004, 23:00
this whole thing has been a big handbag fight from start to finish... reckon we should all tuck our handbags away and acknowledge that technics have always and will be the standard because everyone has learnt on them, because they were the SHIT before anyone else had a good pair.
yes, numark ttx (my ex decks :() and pdx200/2300 are statisically better decks, but the stanton str150's are also up there with spec, but like all else, im gettin a pair of 12's because they are a joy to mix on.
simple as that. tell me one person who has mixed on their 1210s at home and hated it!
I'm not just saying this to shit stir, but after mixing on Vestaxes I found the Technics to be lacklustre and a bit average to be perfectly honest. There's been no major development of the main design (aesthetic or technical) since its incarnation as the 1210, it just relies on its existing credentials. Other decks are daring to be different, and while that scares some people, I love it.
http://djservice.com/data/grafix/Produkte/vestax/PDX2000/PDX2000S_black_2.jpg
Tell me that ain't a smart deck. :D
that aint a smart deck..
handbag or not handbag, im of the opinion, that the less functions a device does, the better it does em.
Plus, the straight tone arm, whereas better skip resistance, sounds crap (tested and proven FIY) and wears your recks much faster.
Look,
the bottom line is that both decks aint perfect anyway, and if you look at the manual, the Tecks look old and unevolved. But they remain trusted by many, while the Vestax gain love in people too..mainly young'ones !!
:D
i guess, ones gets sentimental about his first deck, and swears by it..
still tho, fer me, sexy is function:
http://users.iafrica.com/b/bs/bscases/images/mainimgs/Technics%20SL1200.jpg
:love: :banana:
(just for the record) the Vestax PDX 2000/2300 Mk II Pro has a regular bendy tonearm, not straight scratch-style - but the ASTS system is designed to apply even wear across the record surface, so just adjust the overall level of pressure on the system to make sure your records still wear evenly, but less :)). Couple that with some of those Shure carts with the rounded needles to apply less pressure into the very inside of the groove, and you're sorted. :)
zeeky deek
21-10-2004, 23:53
they might have all that stuff but the pitch control is still to fuckin flimsy, for mixing, the stiff 1210 pitch control is the shit!
http://dnbforum.com/showthread.php?t=13353
:gun: :lighter:
Eat my sorts Vestax,,AHhahahhaaa!!!
zeeky deek
25-10-2004, 06:13
innit jus! those look the shizniz!
They might look uber, but they sure got an uber pricetag to go with em. VASTLY overpriced imo. i bet those professionally-taken promotional shots cost a fair bit to do too.
Thing is, if you were an event organiser, would you buy those 700 dollar-a-piece decks to put out for DJs at a gig? Don't thiiiiink so. At home, maybe. PDX2000s you can take em out, drop them on the floor, spill beer over em, they'd still work great. It took Technics all this time to put features onto their decks that Vestax have had since ....... ages ago. Sounds to me like they're beginning to play catch-up a bit. ;)
DJ Lordward
25-10-2004, 17:48
ahh xen - u got an argument/comeback for everythin us Technics freaks throw at ya!
For sure, us Vestax fanatics are as fanatical as you Technics fanatics. :D
For sure, us Vestax fanatics are as fanatical as you Technics fanatics. :D
Don't know why :finger3: :teeth:
Perhaps it's cause I recognise a superior deck when I see it :finger3: :teeth:
... Gotta admit though, any deck in brushed black = teh sex :D :D :D :D
It took Technics all this time to put features onto their decks that Vestax have had since ....... ages ago. Sounds to me like they're beginning to play catch-up a bit. ;)
yeah, coz while Technics KNEW how to built a proper deck, Vestax was too busy doin market research on what shape/color sells.
Plus, theyve spent far more money in employing Q-bird and Mix master mike, just so trainspotters would look into Vestax..On the other hand Technics named the worlds highest turntablism competition.
Like i said mate, its one to their own, but im sure youll find a smartass comment to make anyway, so shoot away
:teeth:
Well, I wasn't going to, but as you're obviously so blatantly desperate to hear yet another of my Quality Retorts®©™ then here we go:
Technics just using the DMC world championships as a showboat for their now-very-standard products. If you gave the DJs Vestaxes to DJ on instead of Technics, they'd probably realise that they've been using inferior decks - once they actually get used to the feel of a quality motor again :D :D :D :D :D :D
That do you? :P
sparkyc10
28-10-2004, 23:13
il start a new poll. which will die first - xen - or this thread? my moneys on xen! he really does have an answer for everything! respect for arguin til the bitter end for ur vestax tho :respekt:
seriously tho, its all about technics :gslayer:
;) hahaha :D
Ah well, there we go. :D
I'll be getting 1210s though to get the ball rolling though, I've been given the opportunity to buy some for 250 quid each, which beats the pants off the Vestaxes - I can afford a mixer at that price! I guess I'll have to stick with 1210s until I have the money to upgrade ;) And anyways, some sucker'll buy my 1210s off me for more than the cost to me in a year anyway, so it's a sound investment :D :D
Still think Vestaxes are a better deck though. No, I'm not backpedalling. :P Just desperate times, desperate measures... and I think I already have someone in mind that I can flog the Technics to ;)
DJ Lordward
30-10-2004, 20:16
I'll be getting 1210s though
:lol: :applause:
:lol: :applause:
... partially cause they'll be easier to flog to some numpty on ebay in a year ;)
hmmmmm, s'all about the pdx torque, makes all the difference!
develop yourself a different style of mixing - mix on some vestax ;)
hmmmmm, s'all about the pdx torque, makes all the difference!
develop yourself a different style of mixing - mix on some vestax ;)
Yer, hopefully once I have the dosh I'll supplement the dirt cheap 1210s that I'm gonna buy with some nice Vestaxes so I can have a 4 deck setup AND some vestaxes as well... Ah, if only money weren't a (forced) option. :/
develop yourself a different style of mixing - mix on some vestax ;)'
That's the problem with learning on Vestaxes - they play different to 1210s, so if you learn on them - you're going to be fucked in a club with knackered 1210s. And all (almost) the clubs have knackered 1210s.
You can jerk off all you want on Mk5s but the fact is, most of the time you'll be dealing with 1210s that are old, dirty, have sticky faders and look like somebody came on the slipmat. Well, most of the time :-)
sparkyc10
26-11-2004, 00:07
keep the posts comin for this thread guys :2thumbs: im printing it all out for my homework for college. v.useful indeed (y)
lets get the ball rolling again...
someone tell me what the hell this reject ufo is supposed to be?
QFO (http://www.htfr.com/more-info/?catno=MR123045)
i mean im sure its a nice deck to use (id hope so for the price anyway :|) but when are vestax gonna learn people just want a decent durable deck, at a decent affordable price. who is actually gonna pay £1700/pair for these things when theyre just pdx with a stupid amount of extra features.i mean 'Incorporated 2 channel mixer'?! eeerrrr, wouldn't a mixer do that job just as well.... in fact, better!
The QFO is very expensive but its very different to the PDX - specs, construction, etc. I don't think the price is justified but Vestax is still selling its excellent PDX 2000's at way below Technics prices.
The MK5G on the other hand is a 1210 with double pitch.
eheheh
last night at one of our gigs
Dusk til Dawn 'where the 1210's man?'
Hippo 'not here, klusta's bought his vestax!'
Dusk 'til Dawn 'fuck man, i never mixed on em b4, shit'
Hippo 'Don't worry, you'll be fine, they're just like 1210's'
Dusk 'til Dawn......looks worried......
10 mins into Dusk 'til Dawns set......
Klusta 'how ya getting on with them vestax bro?'
Dusk 'til Dawn 'they're fucking wicked, once they're locked they're LOCKED, bad for scratching, i want a set.
I think the same went for Danny Wheeler...
:yawn: @ 1210's
I've known house djs go to pieces on Vestaxes. They're used to spinning 1210s up then fiddling with the platters... and the Vestax motor just laughs at them.
And I've shit myself at clubs using 1210s after too much time on the V2000s.
Vestaxes are good with dnb - you drop the beat exactly where you want - virtually no startup, you get the speeds matched, set the channel to max and then press start on the beat , like with a cd player.
I've never actually got round to being able to afford or accomodate decks, but i've asked people's opinions on what to get, many times. Every response has been "Technics. If you don't get Technics, you'll want them later on, so save yourself some money. Plus if you ever want to sell them they'll hold their value". Now I hear all this about Vestax etc, it's just fucking confusing. Aside from being ridiculously expensive (really, how expensive is it to mass produce something that's been made for 20 years?) it's also annoying that everyone has such differing opinions. Kinda puts me off wanting to start DJing. Then there's all the debates on what needles/cartridges, speakers/subs, etc/etc, are better..
Sneaky G
24-12-2004, 00:35
Know what you mean.
Just in the process of buing some decks. A lot of money means you need to do the research. After talking to a lot of DJs, I agree, they all recommend not buying crap decks, but rather save for technics.
The reason: You wont actually know if your terd or if its your equipment, and you'll not enjoy it.
However....after commiting to buying top decks, I'm actually going for Numark TTX1s. These are actually replacing Technics in the superclubs, and actually I believe are better and are actually cheaper because Numark is not as big a designer as Technics.
Numark had a bad rep for a while but with there new models,....wow, really setting the standard, and you only need to look at their mixers to see the innovation coming out of Numark.
Seriously...Numark is the future brand if Technics don't sort out their turntables. Although Technics do have a very impressive CD deck range.
But go for TTX1s.
Although Technics do have a very impressive CD deck range.
? You sure you don't mean Pioneer?
Technics' CD deck (SLDZ1000) is crap compared to the competition (i.e. Numark CDX, Pioneer CDJ1000) and well overpriced. If you want a CD deck - Technics is not the way to go unless you want to show off your shiny 'Technics' deck.
Sneaky G
24-12-2004, 14:17
your right.....pioneer are superior with DJs.
But the SL-DZ1200 CD turntable seems like a complete replica of the great SL range, the only difference being CDs instead of vinyl. Seems awesome, but just depends if your an SL fan or not.
Seems most DJs who are taken seriously are using pioneer though, but who knows maybe the technics will catch on, but generally it looks like Technics are having to make way, which is only good for us = cheaper because not paying as much for a brand.
Personally all this format change is scaring me. Soon it'll all be computer based I think. I just hope not to soon, because I'm spending a fortune on upgrading to TTX1s, then there's all the mp3 mixing........whatever, it hurts my head to think about all the options.
Anyone got any good software or hardware recommendations, i'm trying to start getting into production.
sparkyc10
24-12-2004, 17:47
totally agree. i hope the whole media change thing don't happen any time soon. im sure it wont for a good while yet. i dont think mp3 mixing will ever catch on. not for live events anyway. the quality is just too poor. lets hope vinyl is here to stay :2thumbs:
Then there's all the debates on what needles/cartridges, speakers/subs, etc/etc, are better..
... Gotta be Ortofon carts every time. Worth investing in some quality. In fact, I'd buy three carts - two for mixing, and one for audiophile home listening (when I want the fidelity to be at its max without the needle becoming worn down by constant usage).
In terms of MP3 DJing, there's some excellent CDMP3 decks out there, including ones by Vestax, Pioneer, Numark... There's also various different Final Scratch-type systems out there now, aside from Final Scratch, which both work just about the same and for varying price brackets. Knowledge reviewed some of these systems in a past issue, I could dig it out and type it up if you wanted. Sure it's on the net as well, check the K site.
totally agree. i hope the whole media change thing don't happen any time soon. im sure it wont for a good while yet. i dont think mp3 mixing will ever catch on. not for live events anyway. the quality is just too poor. lets hope vinyl is here to stay :2thumbs:
128 kbps mp3 is awful - especially for dnb as the subsonics get cut out. However use very high bitrate or lossless files and you'll have the same sound quality as vinyl or at least cd.
Still I don't see the point in having a cd player that plays mp3s - how can you keep track of a hundred songs on that cd? I'd much rather have a record box or at least a cd box...
Having said that Final Scratch or even Traktor is a lot of fun to use as long as its you thats playing, not the computer. I saw A Guy Called Gerald playing jungle from Traktor and realized that. He's confident in the music he plays and doesn't need shiny 1210mk5s, a ton of vinyl and a Pioner 600 to prove that he's a dj.
Vinyl does have one very big advantage - scratching. :-)
DJ Lordward
26-12-2004, 19:56
Vinyl does have one very big advantage - scratching. :-)
and it smells good lol.
i like vinyl, it gives u a good feeling that CDs & MPs just dont have, cos its real & feels like you've actually bought something, not just a digital file.
and it smells good lol.
i like vinyl, it gives u a good feeling that CDs & MPs just dont have, cos its real & feels like you've actually bought something, not just a digital file.
Well, I dunno bout anybody else, but I record every vinyl I get to my PC as .wav file, and then save as .flac lossless - it's an insurance policy just in case any of my vinyls ever get nicked / damaged / worn out, it's comforting to know you always have a backup (even if it's just in digital format, it's good enough quality to always get it repressed if the need arose)...
Plus it means I can listen to my vinyl without having to dig em out and go stick em on the deck. :D AAAAND it then means I can arse about and do digital mixing on my PC with PCDJ Red / similar software - good beatmatching practice! :D
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